Fixing the training model

[Hanzou]

Are you calling me a liar?

Maybe.

It's actually true which is why I brought the subject up it in the first place, I just thought I'd let you rant on before I told you. So his BJJ is also useless and rubbish...… interesting as it was very good.

Ah well, he had his foible of the 'no touch' KO and you have yours of hating karate. C'est la vie.

Yeah, if he's teaching that nonsense, god knows what else he's teaching to his students.

 

[now disabled]

so Martial D what insights into things are you going to deliver tonight I wonder ? and are you going to call me what was it attention disabled or the like lol or get all upset that I may have the audacity to have a go back at you

 

[now disabled]

Maybe.



Yeah, if he's teaching that nonsense, god knows what else he's teaching to his students.

If you are calling a person a liar then have the guts to actually say that don't do the body swerving around it


An you say it nonsense so the whole world has to agree with you

 

[drop bear]

I think her point is about dismissing everything else someone does because of no-touch. I've learned a few interesting tweaks from folks whose overall technique was pretty much crap. I found what I could to learn from. I even know one group that teaches a no-touch disruption (it's a mind trick, playing on the desire to avoid running into things) that actually works in the dojo (I experienced it without knowing what was coming). I wouldn't trust it in the street, though it was intellectually interesting to muck with. But that didn't affect - positively or negatively - the reliability of their other techniques. It was a hint to me to be a bit more skeptical than usual, so it's not as if I ignored the issue.

I hold the same view when I talk to a young-Earther about business. I have some extra skepticism because they seem to have a problem with following evidence, but I don't automatically discard everything they think they've learned.

Yeah but the extra scepticism is kind of the key. If they are also relying on all this diversionary logic as well. Then they have credibility issues.

 

[Hanzou]

If you are calling a person a liar then have the guts to actually say that don't do the body swerving around it

What do you have to do with any of this?

An you say it nonsense so the whole world has to agree with you

No-touch IS nonsense. The fact that you can't accept that is your business.

 

[now disabled]

Yeah but the extra scepticism is kind of the key. If they are also relying on all this diversionary logic as well. Then they have credibility issues.

I'd agree there DB but not all they do or can do has to be dismissed just cause there one thing ya don't like

 

[drop bear]

It matters to the person defending themselves, it matters far more than any competition. The desired result for them is that they get to live.

It doesn't matter to the people making money out of self defense courses. Who then infect that attitude to the students and general culture.

If it mattered it would be results driven. And this argument wouldn't exist.

Still, arguing that ones' style is best is akin to arguing that one's religion is best or that having no faith is best ( one reason for not having religious arguments as well as political ones on here), we've seen where they lead. I like BJJ, I enjoy it, is it the best ever , no, what is? I have no idea but I do know that blowing other people's candles out doesn't make yours shine brighter. BJJ doesn't shine brighter because you think other styles are all pants.

 

[now disabled]

What do you have to do with any of this?



No-touch IS nonsense. The fact that you can't accept that is your business.

What the matter you feeling ganged up on lol ...........but your the guy with all the right answers and the rest so what the matter ....you jump in all over the place ....just hang on ya buddy Martial D come and back ya up lol

 

[Hanzou]

What the matter you feeling ganged up on lol ..........

No, I'm wondering why you're defending someone who doesn't need defending.

but your the guy with all the right answers....

Most of the time.

 

[Martial D]

so Martial D what insights into things are you going to deliver tonight I wonder ? and are you going to call me what was it attention disabled or the like lol or get all upset that I may have the audacity to have a go back at you

I am enjoying you have another melt down without actually participating. It's funny watching your grammar and punctuation devolve post by post as you get more and more emotionally invested.

I'm flattered I am important enough to you to call me out in a thread I'm not even participating in though *blush*

I have to say, the whole tough guy routine you are trying for with Hanzou(three times now you've mentioned flying out to grapple/fight him) doesn't suit you so well. I mean, even if you were trained in a combat art(highly debatable), you aren't exactly in tip top fighting form are you? Lol

 

[drop bear]

I'd agree there DB but not all they do or can do has to be dismissed just cause there one thing ya don't like

At which point I would ask to see something sensible. Like performed on a resisting oponant.

Now the only person I have seen go from nuts to normal is Alan Orr. Who uses force flow magic but also has guys that win fights

 

[Martial D]

As a general aside, MT should have a hard rule about intentionally lying/misrepresenting what another user has said here. There's a lot of it going on in this thread.

 

[now disabled]

No, I'm wondering why you're defending someone who doesn't need defending.



Most of the time.

I'm not defending at all


Most of the time lol oh that is rich lol

 

[now disabled]

As a general aside, MT should have a hard rule about intentionally lying/misrepresenting what another user has said here. There's a lot of it going on in this thread.

No there is not any mis quoting at all you tried that one on me lol no there no mis quoting at all Your buddy Hanzou just says things and then cherry picks what he answers and then ignores the rest see what he wants to see

 

[now disabled]

I am enjoying you have another melt down without actually participating. It's funny watching your grammar and punctuation devolve post by post as you get more and more emotionally invested.

I'm flattered I am important enough to you to call me out in a thread I'm not even participating in though *blush*

I have to say, the whole tough guy routine you are trying for with Hanzou(three times now you've mentioned flying out to grapple/fight him) doesn't suit you so well. I mean, even if you were trained in a combat art(highly debatable), you aren't exactly in tip top fighting form are you? Lol

Oh so now it my grammar is it ok so now you are suggesting that I am not well educated .....


Tough guy act ...oh go to bed little boy we have already established that you ain't one of those and more than likely have never met one either so don't start that if you really want an argument then lets go private

And melt down yeah ok look little boy if you call a person attention disabled have s go then tr to make out that you are vastly superior then yes I will have a go back

Oh I would love to have had you in a basic training squad as lol guys like you are usually the first to go running crying to their mummy .

 

[Martial D]

Oh so now it my grammar is it ok so now you are suggesting that I am not well educated .....


Tough guy act ...oh go to bed little boy we have already established that you ain't one of those and more than likely have never met one either so don't start that if you really want an argument then lets go private

And melt down yeah ok look little boy if you call a person attention disabled have s go then tr to make out that you are vastly superior then yes I will have a go back

Oh I would love to have had you in a basic training squad as lol guys like you are usually the first to go running crying to their mummy .

You should really stop to breath dude, that kind of stress and anger can't be good for you.

 

[Martial D]

No there is not any mis quoting at all you tried that one on me lol no there no mis quoting at all Your buddy Hanzou just says things and then cherry picks what he answers and then ignores the rest see what he wants to see

K, let's see direct quotes where @Hanzou says

-all karate is garbage(or some variation)

-if it's not bjj it's garbage.(or some variation)

Those are two examples off the top of my head from this thread.

 

[now disabled]

For you info Martial D i joined on the 21rst Nov 1986 and served 15 years when I was medically discharged I wa the rank of colour/staff sgt depending if I was serving with infantry or with a corp (yes there is a difference) after discharge I went on to teach at the RMAS for two years and there after went back over seas so no I was never combat trained and am uneducated etc etc etc etc . The one thing I can say is that I severed and that is fact, I lost my wife when I was in one place and she was in another. My final units Tat has five crosses under the Trojans head and I will be the only one with the full set of six. If you wish to test me on Knowledge etc then please come right ahead. I'm sure I can translate it into simple language that you will understand, being that your are no more than an arm chair warrior as we established (oh and saying that your armed services are treated badly ...that you really have no clue about at all just what you will read on the internet or oops you tube forgot you need vids ) so bring on what you wish to ask about anything combat related.

Oh and for the record I don't act tough and I merely offered your buddy Hanzou the chance of mat time, No more than that no challenges at all and I never said more than I'd love to and that even beat up I think I could cope with him.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Oh so now it my grammar is it ok so now you are suggesting that I am not well educated .....


Tough guy act ...oh go to bed little boy we have already established that you ain't one of those and more than likely have never met one either so don't start that if you really want an argument then lets go private

And melt down yeah ok look little boy if you call a person attention disabled have s go then tr to make out that you are vastly superior then yes I will have a go back

Oh I would love to have had you in a basic training squad as lol guys like you are usually the first to go running crying to their mummy .

I've been mostly staying out of this, but you're not seriously suggesting that you have good grammar are you? I have to read your posts multiple times just to understand it. I never brought it up because it's not an issue, but I assumed you knew you made grammatical errors a bunch...

Regarding the tough guy debate, you realize that by saying "go to bed little boy" and "guys like you are usually the first to go running crying to their mummy", is basically you saying that you are a tough guy compared to Martial D?

 

[now disabled]

K, let's see direct quotes where @Hanzou says

-all karate is garbage(or some variation)

-if it's not bjj it's garbage.(or some variation)

Those are two examples off the top of my head from this thread.

Eh your buddy was saying that not me