Does anybody else

[shesulsa]

I'd say just about every business who turns a black dollar has lost their sense of ethics.

 

[DustinJolley]

Let's not forget the racist radio show hosts Don Imus, Hal Turner, and Al Sharpton who nobody listens to anyway.

 

[Twin Fist]

the problem Shesulsa, is that journalism DEMANDS the highest ethical standards. When people come to you for FACTS, and your ethics slip, people dont gets facts, they get OPINIONS.

that way lies disaster.

Elder,
I was watching that night. Rivera was trying to sidetract the discussion onto drunk driving when it was about illegal aliens. Rivera has always been on the side of the illegals, so it wasnt a shock that he didnt face the facts, but still.

oh yeah, Al Franken. Franken spoke for 35 minutes, instead of the alloted 15. He then interrupted O'Reilly during his turn. I would have yelled at him too. Franken is a tool, and deserved it.

In 4 years, i have seen him shout at Rivera, Sunsara Taylor, a certifiable nutbark, one of the 9-11 truthers, and he cut the mike on some democratic shill who, when asked a direct question about Hillary Clinton, ignored the question and blathered on about "Bush did this, bush did that"

try actually WATCHING him Elder, you will be surprised. Considering that he doubles or triples the ratings of any other commentator on TV, he must be doing something right.

 

[DustinJolley]

Thanks again, Twin Twist. It's actually nice to have somebody on here that agrees with me. I honestly can stand Al Franken or Geraldo Rivera. Rivera is nothing more than an Olbermann clone in disguise in my humble opinion. "Shut up! You had your 35 minutes!" -Bill O'Reilly. I love that! Somebody should've told Al Franken to shut up 20 years ago! Lol.

 

[elder999]

oh yeah, Al Franken. Franken spoke for 35 minutes, instead of the alloted 15. He then interrupted O'Reilly during his turn. I would have yelled at him too. Franken is a tool, and deserved it..

Uhh...if you watch the footage, Franken spoke for about 20 minutes, not 35. Not the alloted 15, but certainly not unusually over that, either.

I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm not about to actually WATCH him, any more than I'm likely to listen to Rush Limbaugh, or WATCH any of the talking heads on any of the coprorate owned news networks...which is, well, all of them.

 

[shesulsa]

I don't watch or listen to ANYONE anymore. Not right, not left, not libertarian, not green .... Everyone seems to think they can compartmentalize politics and rights according to religious value, economic value, environmental value.

We really need to get over this high-school mentality, protect rights, be responsible with our earth, and arm worthy citizens because it just makes sense to do it.

Being partisan or siding with a ... side ... is only using half your brain. It's like buying cable. You're only gonna watch between 3-9 of the 60+ channels you pay for ... but you still have to pay for the others.

 

[DustinJolley]

Keith Olbermann never should've been hired by MSNBC in the first place. He uses his Countdown show to attack people he disagrees with, almost all of them are Conservatives or people on CNN and Fox News. Among the people he's named or nominated "The Worst Person in the World," only a few of them have been Liberals. Let's name a few of his Worsts winners and runners up. Bill O'Reilly 100 times and counting, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Brent Bozell, Al Sharpton, Michael Savage, President Bush, Sean Hannity, Orrin Hatch, Mitt Romney, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Neal Cavuto, Cal Thomas, Matt Drudge, Glenn Beck, Malik "Zulu" Shabazz, Michelle Malkin, Rupert Murdock, Nancy Grace, Greg Gutfeld, Roger Ailes, Himself, Dick Cheney, Barbra Bush, Dennis Miller, John McCain, WalMart, The CIA, Gretchen Carlson, Steve Doocy, Tom Cruise, Brit Hume, Anderson Cooper, Lou Dobbs, Rudy Guliani, Pat Robertson, David Horowitz, and Newt Gingrich, just to name a few.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

I don't watch or listen to ANYONE anymore. Not right, not left, not libertarian, not green .... Everyone seems to think they can compartmentalize politics and rights according to religious value, economic value, environmental value.

We really need to get over this high-school mentality, protect rights, be responsible with our earth, and arm worthy citizens because it just makes sense to do it.

Being partisan or siding with a ... side ... is only using half your brain. It's like buying cable. You're only gonna watch between 3-9 of the 60+ channels you pay for ... but you still have to pay for the others.

For the record your and my views happen to coincide 100% concerning the content of this post.

I rather suspect the "high-school clique" divisiveness is intentionally encouraged by Those Who Ought To Know Better But Never Do. Much the same way Rome did the bread and circuses act to keep the people preoccupied.

I also rather suspect we'll meet the same fate as Rome, and that it's arrival is not far distant.

 

[Josh]

I think 24 hour "news" stations have killed the free press.
I consider Olbermann and O'Reilly one in the same.
Fox News and MSNBC are both obviously not credible.
Guys like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are in the tank for Obama/Left leaning politics.
and Sean Hannity and Bill O are clearly right wing diehards.
I know the argument would be made that these guys are commentators and not anchors...and it's a good argument. I just have a problem with these guys pretending to be "fair and balanced", Etc Etc.
For example, if anyone thinks Bill has voted for a democrat in the past 10 years..you're obviously not watching his show. It's ALWAYS attacks on "left wing loons" in his talking points. Keith Olbermann is Bill O in reverse. IMO

I base these opinions strictly on my having viewed both stations a bit in the past 3 years or so.

 

[Twin Fist]

Josh,
you should watch the Factor more often.

Hannity you are right about, but you are wrong about O'Rielly

 

[DustinJolley]

That's right, Twin Fist. As anybody who watches "The O'Reilly Factor" ought to know, O'Reilly isn't a Republican or a Democrat. He's an independent just like Lou Dobbs.

 

[Josh]

Josh,
you should watch the Factor more often.

Hannity you are right about, but you are wrong about O'Rielly

I have seen bill fairly often in the past 3 years. I love the constant "I am teh highest rated guy on cable news worship me" ********

(though true, it serves no purpose except to say that a lot of Americans watch him..wow. a lot of Americans bought "thriller" by michael jackson... it still sucked.).

Aside from that, I would say that it is pretty clear you're the forum Neo Con Cheerleader. I mean no disrespect. I've just been reading a few of your posts and it seems you're pretty right wing. To right wing people bill o seems fair. things like "left wing loon", "pinhead" and taking the "traditional warrior" side of the "culture war" seem a bit bias to me. He seems OBSESSED with coming off as a man of the people while attacking the far-left nightly. I think someone who is objective looks at the far left AND far right and dismisses them both. I cannot remember him ever.. EVER talking down the far right in his talking points. I am all for attacking the far left, but I don't see the balance. The ACLU are clearly harmful to the US, but I would argue the Christian coalition is equal to the ACLU. I wish bill would focus some of that anger on the far right. That's all.

I consider myself a social libertarian In case you're wondering.

 

[Josh]

That's right, Twin Fist. As anybody who watches "The O'Reilly Factor" ought to know, O'Reilly isn't a Republican or a Democrat. He's an independent just like Lou Dobbs.

See, I understand and respect that. I just don't see Lou and Bill the same. Maybe it's just my perception. Bill comes off as a bully to me. It's probably a personal bias of my own to be honest. Who knows?

 

[Sukerkin]

Dustin, if you think the media and politicians in combination wind you up now, just wait until you've been around the sun another twenty tmes or so .

If anyone takes their political 'meat' from the table laid out by the commercial media then you need to take a collective step back and realise that it's all a 'shadow play'. Ignore the multi-million dollar campaign funds and the publicised opinions they buy. Decide on what you believe, look at what the puppets ... sorry, serious candidates say they stand for, compare the two lists and vote accordingly. Everything else is spin and manipulation.

To come clean, I haven't voted for a long time because I concluded that the whole system is a corrupt front (this was a many years before such ideas were bandied about by 'fringe' groups and even before the Internet was 'born' in it's modern incarnation). Your votes change nothing for the plain and simple reason that the people and organisations that run things are not elected. This is not necessarily some crack-pot conspiracy theory, just the plain and simple truth that the bureaucracies control what really happens. Who sits in the 'window' is just for show.

 

[Twin Fist]

Aside from that, I would say that it is pretty clear you're the forum Neo Con Cheerleader. I mean no disrespect. I've just been reading a few of your posts and it seems you're pretty right wing.

Wrong and wrong

I am pro choice
I am pro gay marraige
I am pro gun registration, within reason
I voted for Perot, TWICE
I voted for McCain in 2000
I am a LONG way from neo-con

I think you are forgetting something. The man has said countless times that he doesnt devote as much energy to the far right because the far right is marginalized in this country. And it is. There is no mainstream media championing the far right the way they are the far left.

The right cant even compare on the internet, where far left blog-worlds like DailyPOS and "we wont"MoveOn.org

Not tomention the fact that the far left is MUCH more of a threat. Perfect example, the right wants kids to have the OPTION of praying in school.Not mandated, OPTIONAL

the far left will not allow ANY prayer on public land.

which is more draconian?

The left is more of a threat to the traditional values of this country. The right doesnt want much to change, they LIKE America pretty much the way it is. the Left wants to change EVERYTHING.

i think O'Reilly is balanced not because I agree with him but because I have seen him go after BOTH sides. But hey, it's all good. i disagree with you, but who cares right?

 

[Sukerkin]

You piqued my interest with that, TF. For a foreigner, could you elaborate on what you mean with your next to last parapgraph?

 

[Andy Moynihan]

Dustin, if you think the media and politicians in combination wind you up now, just wait until you've been around the sun another twenty tmes or so .

If anyone takes their political 'meat' from the table laid out by the commercial media then you need to take a collective step back and realise that it's all a 'shadow play'. Ignore the multi-million dollar campaign funds and the publicised opinions they buy. Decide on what you believe, look at what the puppets ... sorry, serious candidates say they stand for, compare the two lists and vote accordingly. Everything else is spin and manipulation.

To come clean, I haven't voted for a long time because I concluded that the whole system is a corrupt front (this was a many years before such ideas were bandied about by 'fringe' groups and even before the Internet was 'born' in it's modern incarnation). Your votes change nothing for the plain and simple reason that the people and organisations that run things are not elected. This is not necessarily some crack-pot conspiracy theory, just the plain and simple truth that the bureaucracies control what really happens. Who sits in the 'window' is just for show.

Yup.

I kinda like the fact nobody seems to quite really know just exactly where *I* stand

 

[Josh]

Wrong and wrong

I am pro choice
I am pro gay marraige
I am pro gun registration, within reason
I voted for Perot, TWICE
I voted for McCain in 2000
I am a LONG way from neo-con

I think you are forgetting something. The man has said countless times that he doesnt devote as much energy to the far right because the far right is marginalized in this country. And it is. There is no mainstream media championing the far right the way they are the far left.

The right cant even compare on the internet, where far left blog-worlds like DailyPOS and "we wont"MoveOn.org

Not tomention the fact that the far left is MUCH more of a threat. Perfect example, the right wants kids to have the OPTION of praying in school.Not mandated, OPTIONAL

the far left will not allow ANY prayer on public land.

which is more draconian?

The left is more of a threat to the traditional values of this country. The right doesnt want much to change, they LIKE America pretty much the way it is. the Left wants to change EVERYTHING.

i think O'Reilly is balanced not because I agree with him but because I have seen him go after BOTH sides.

If by marginalized you mean... an active part of the republican party.

I think that's a debatable point. You can't really provide facts for that point either way so I'll just let that go while saying I strongly disagree that the far right is worse than the far left. I see them as equal.

On another note I apologize for labeling you a Neo-con too quickly. I suppose people could assume I am "far left" by some of my posts too.

I would, however still hold that Bill is NOT objective. I still have yet to see a reason why he leaves the far right out of his angry rants. that they are marginalized doesn't cut it for me. I guess it's a matter of perception.

 

[Josh]

Wrong and wrong


Not tomention the fact that the far left is MUCH more of a threat.

hehehe. That's called an "opinion"

Sorry, I had to say something about that.

 

[Empty Hands]

Perfect example, the right wants kids to have the OPTION of praying in school.Not mandated, OPTIONAL

the far left will not allow ANY prayer on public land.

This is incorrect. It has never been illegal, nor have any credible left wing groups tried to make illegal, private prayer on any public land, including schools. What they have fought is school (or more generally governmental) sanctioned prayer where the school takes the lead and endorses the prayer.

The right doesnt want much to change, they LIKE America pretty much the way it is. the Left wants to change EVERYTHING.

Oh no my friend, the right wants to change everything too. They want to take us back to the mythical time in the past when everything was peaceful and nice. Thus, knowingly or unknowingly in the service of their corporate masters, agitating for the dismantling of the social safety net, the "Great Society" reforms, and governmental oversight and regulation of industry. On the social side, advocating for an explicitly Christian governance, with associated morality laws such as the banning of abortion or homosexual marriage. Truly, some of these far-right types qualify as radicals in any sense, advocating for a theocratic government which we have never had - despite their spinning of history.