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Not sure why you are responding to a post for Nobody Important?
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Nobody Important said:
"the wagina of the elbow will always come up" = flattening the triangle
"to align the bones of the arm" and "at mid let all three will be same height" = flattened to a line
See that's the thing about discssing a system you don't understand; your assumptions are stupid.
So basically your and Juany's argument boils down to assuming we are fighting the tallest man in the world so that (you hope) elbow goes above shoulder (it doesn't).
Only NI messed that little bit of wriggle room up for you by also saying this about his "wing chun":
Nobody Important said:
i.e. he's punching with a straight arm. He's a pretend wing chun practitioner, just an internet troll. Why you spend time and effort trying to defend an obvious troll writing about a system he doesn't understand and that you don't either is beyond me.
lansao
Purple Belt
Obviously not. Think feet.
lansao
Purple Belt
Let its contents guide you. An answer, by any other name, is just as sweet.
Not worth the effort to find it again. It's somewhere around page 8, I think.
Aligning those bones means they align on the vertical plane. The statement about them being at the same height, as I read it, referred to a fully extended arm as the fullest example, rather than how they actually punch. I can see how that could be read the other way, as well.
[quoteSee that's the thing about discssing a system you don't understand; your assumptions are stupid.[/quote]
Or, you just don't understand the comments being made. Maybe "stupid" is an awfully strong word, so I'll just stop there.
Nope. I used a taller person as an example. I had a training partner who was 6' 8" (not even close to the tallest person I've ever trained with, much less the tallest person in the world). Punching to his chin, even from relatively close (which is well within common WC range), my elbow would reach my shoulder at the end of a punch. No hyperbole necessary to make that happen.
If you're going to call someone stupid, maybe don't follow that up by overstating an example (a strawman argument, by definition).
Juany118
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Or, you just don't understand the comments being made. Maybe "stupid" is an awfully strong word, so I'll just stop there.
Nope. I used a taller person as an example. I had a training partner who was 6' 8" (not even close to the tallest person I've ever trained with, much less the tallest person in the world). Punching to his chin, even from relatively close (which is well within common WC range), my elbow would reach my shoulder at the end of a punch. No hyperbole necessary to make that happen.
If you're going to call someone stupid, maybe don't follow that up by overstating an example (a strawman argument, by definition).[/QUOTE]
Exactly, again no one said "when we punch every joint ends perfectly aligned." The alignment comment was made, and clarified, to be simply a description of the biomechanics of the arm.
As for height, it's simply to address the "never happens" comment. You also don't need the person to be 6'8". The photo I uploaded shows a person below average height and a person only a couple inches above average height. I picked that photo because the two subjects on the side illustrate people of average height. I also said punching with that kind of alignment is not ideal but it can be necessary and as such saying "never ever" is simply wrong.
When you study a Martial Art you are supposed to be developing skills vs a technique or rote dance steps. Skills can adapt to changing or unusual circumstances (within limits of course) techniques or rote dance steps can't.
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Can't see how you would read it the way that you do:
"at mid level all three will be same height" means that NI is talking about punching with a fully straightened arm
If you don't understand the range that VT punches operate at, you might think it is reasonable to accept that elbow will be above shoulder. This is the problem; you don't understand the system.
If your elbow is higher than your shoulder, you are no longer bypassing the shoulder, and so not a VT punch. I am not the tallest person in the world and punching a 6' 8 person in the chin would not cause my elbow to be above shoulder. Maybe you have extremely short forearms or are below average height? Oh well
Why is a reply from Juany's post in GP Seymours (earlier) post?
Looks a bit odd to me..
Yes they did, here:
Nobody Important said:
If wrist, elbow and shoulder are all at the same height then the arm is straight and the triangle is flattened. It bears no resemblance to punching in wing chun. This is because NI doesn't do wing chun and is trolling the forum.
lansao
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This need to maintain a triangle through extension of a punch does not define a Wing Chun punch, only a weak one. You misrepresent an art you don't understand. Go back to the drawing board with humility.
I can tell from experience, Nodody Important has more substance than you. That is one big assertion to be polite. Of course I will have to be polite. Hope you can back that up. A deliberate slight like that should be evidence based!
Ah, so now you don't actually understand human mechanics? Interesting.
Nothing odd. A double-quote, missing a quote tag.
A bit odd that you didn't catch that.
Juany118
Senior Master
Yeah, by the time I realized what happened I couldn't edit as the timer had run out.
I think much more likely that you don't understand VT and don't know what you are talking about
This may be the most back to front understanding of the VT punch i have had the pleasure to read. Quted for reference
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