Chong Shin Kwan?

[YoungMan]

Pretty much represents everything bad about martial arts.

 

[WMKS Shogun]

My first style/system was Chong Shin Kwan under Sensei Randy McNemar (now retired) and Sensei Bill King (still active). From McNemar, I learned the basics of karate (and as little Tae Kwon Do as he could get away with teaching) Judo, and Jujutsu as well as a bit of Kobudo. From Sensei King, I trained in Iaido, but could have learned Aikido as well. At both Senseis' dojos, the arts were generally taught seperately. Karate/Tae Kwon Do were taught together, usually 2 nights a week and both dojos. Judo/Jujutsu were taught together at Sensei McNemar's dojo, but he was generally careful to explain which techniques were jujutsu, which were judo, and which were common to both arts. Aikido was taught as its own art at Sensei King's dojo, as was Iaido.
As far as Roger Jerritt is concerned, I only met him once at a tournament and at that time, he was busy running the tournament so it was only a "Congratulations" to me, then a yellow belt. The website is a front for the organization and is meant to give general information for people who do not know much about martial arts. As far as Roger Jerrit saying he created Chong Shin Kwan from 5 Korean Martial Arts, he, like many masters I have encountered, probably did not think that his audience knew anything about the origins of martial arts, or just misspoke and was surprised to get caught in his mistake. My guess is some of his higher ranks were 'honorary' as opposed to fully earned, but I cannot say for certain. I do know that the Aikido taught in Chong Shin Kwan has been passed down from Shinhan Kevin Blok's Chodokai Aikido Federation International which is part of the Yoshinkai/Yoshinkan in Japan.


Why do you say this?

Pretty much represents everything bad about martial arts.

 

[Burnerbob]

There are many "Greats" who have thought outside the box and created a new and improved system. It is however those who claim all sorts of High ranks from God knows where, or they claimed that they were the originator, that gives the Martial Arts a bad name.
But just like with everything else, when it comes down to it they get caught.
The person I feel for is the ones who did not know nor did they investigate the system they were interested to the full extent.
As the saying goes "E caveat emptor" let the buyer beware.

 

[YoungMan]

First off, if it is supposed to be a combination of various Korean styles, why do the instructors refer to themselves as Sensei and Shihan? Those are terms for Japanese instructors. Red flag right there.

 

[Burnerbob]

First off, if it is supposed to be a combination of various Korean styles, why do the instructors refer to themselves as Sensei and Shihan? Those are terms for Japanese instructors. Red flag right there.

Blame the media. How many Chinese Stylist say that instead of "Sifu", because that is what media has labeled all Martial Arts Instructors.

 

[YoungMan]

Do they refer to theselves as Sensei and Shihan or is that what the media refer to them as?

 

[YoungMan]

From the looks of it, they refer to themselves as Sensei and Shihan, despite teaching a "Korean based" art. Again, red flag right there.

 

[miguksaram]

(coincidentally, that's how I found this forum. I was looking to see if I could find anything on the Chong Shin No Kun form for the staff).

This form sounds like something originating from the school itself. This is not an indigenous bo form to the Korean arts. Do they they tell you the translation of the name?

 

[Grenadier]

I've visited Van Bushnell's school in Alabama, several years ago. In a nutshell, it's a hybrid system that uses aspects of Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, Judo, and Karate.

Their classes were conducted much like any other Karate or Tae Kwon Do school would, and from what I saw, the instruction was pretty solid. Some of the kata practiced in there were Tae Kwon Do Poomse, while others were from Okinawan / Japanese Karate.

They don't really call themselves strictly either a Korean or Japanese style of martial arts. They simply say that they teach Chong Shin Kwan.

Since it's Roger Jarrett's system, and since he formulated it with both Japanese / Okinawan / Korean arts (and has ranks in several systems), I really see no stinkers about any of their instructors using Japanese titles. For that matter, they could call themselves instructors using Korean titles, and it wouldn't change anything.

Oh yeah, and the folks I met there were cordial and friendly.

 

[jayzreal]

I've visited Van Bushnell's school in Alabama, several years ago. In a nutshell, it's a hybrid system that uses aspects of Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, Judo, and Karate.

Their classes were conducted much like any other Karate or Tae Kwon Do school would, and from what I saw, the instruction was pretty solid. Some of the kata practiced in there were Tae Kwon Do Poomse, while others were from Okinawan / Japanese Karate.

They don't really call themselves strictly either a Korean or Japanese style of martial arts. They simply say that they teach Chong Shin Kwan.

Since it's Roger Jarrett's system, and since he formulated it with both Japanese / Okinawan / Korean arts (and has ranks in several systems), I really see no stinkers about any of their instructors using Japanese titles. For that matter, they could call themselves instructors using Korean titles, and it wouldn't change anything.

Oh yeah, and the folks I met there were cordial and friendly.

Sorry to necro post but I was just doing research about my school as I came across this thread, I've been learning from the place since 2014 and can confirm everything said here is right. One thing that confuses me is I'm pretty sure that Chong shin Quan was our group and that we learned tang soo do as our style? I'm definitely not an expert as I'm just now testing for my black belt in about 4 days as of time of writing but I've been around USA martial arts for about 10 years in total. Hopefully that clears some confusion up as I can confirm that there is a very big divide between the taekwondo and karate. It's even required on testing that you know which katas are Japanese and Korean in origin! There is also a little bit of kobudo sprinkled in there as there are katas made by hanshi jarret that are meant to introduce you into learning weapons katas such as 'chong shin no kun' and 'nunchaku sho' which are introductory katas for more advanced ones once you reach black belt. (Take with grain of salt this is coming from watching friends that already have their black belts lol) As for aikido, judo and iado, they are all their own separate classes that you can take while there but judo and iado are only once a month due to scheduling constraints. There is a little blend of aikido for karate students when it comes to the self defense part of the curriculum where you learn about up to yellow belts worth of aikido moves but the actual aikido program is very in depth and to be honest makes my head spin with how much there is to it. Ive been taking aikido for about 4 years though and would say their program is very good with it being a mix of yoshin kan and aiki kai. (forgive me if I spelled those wrong I'm only purple in aikido) overall a very good school with great people and I would definitely say it's worth it whether your an adult teen or child,Coming from one that's done all 3 age groups.

 

[HighKick]

Sorry to necro post but I was just doing research about my school as I came across this thread, I've been learning from the place since 2014 and can confirm everything said here is right. One thing that confuses me is I'm pretty sure that Chong shin Quan was our group and that we learned tang soo do as our style? I'm definitely not an expert as I'm just now testing for my black belt in about 4 days as of time of writing but I've been around USA martial arts for about 10 years in total. Hopefully that clears some confusion up as I can confirm that there is a very big divide between the taekwondo and karate. It's even required on testing that you know which katas are Japanese and Korean in origin! There is also a little bit of kobudo sprinkled in there as there are katas made by hanshi jarret that are meant to introduce you into learning weapons katas such as 'chong shin no kun' and 'nunchaku sho' which are introductory katas for more advanced ones once you reach black belt. (Take with grain of salt this is coming from watching friends that already have their black belts lol) As for aikido, judo and iado, they are all their own separate classes that you can take while there but judo and iado are only once a month due to scheduling constraints. There is a little blend of aikido for karate students when it comes to the self defense part of the curriculum where you learn about up to yellow belts worth of aikido moves but the actual aikido program is very in depth and to be honest makes my head spin with how much there is to it. Ive been taking aikido for about 4 years though and would say their program is very good with it being a mix of yoshin kan and aiki kai. (forgive me if I spelled those wrong I'm only purple in aikido) overall a very good school with great people and I would definitely say it's worth it whether your an adult teen or child,Coming from one that's done all 3 age groups.

This thread is from 2008, but glad you jumped into the fray.