“Best” Martial Art

[gyoja]

The martial arts that performs better in those experiments.

Which are, in your “experience”?

 

[drop bear]

First you need to have it in theory, you then need a physical path to achieve it.

Which MA systems will you choose when the teachers says:

1. If you train my system for 10 years, you will learn ...
2. If you do the following drills, you will learn ...

I'll pick 2 and not 1.

Neither because neither are supported by evidence.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Neither because neither are supported by evidence.

You want to find a MA system that can teach you "how" and not just teach you "what" and "why".

A: Dear teach! I want to learn technique X.
B: If you can use technique X and take down 1000 opponents on the mat, the chance that you will be able to take down the 1001 opponent will be high.

That 1000 winning record is the best evidence.

 

[marvin8]

You want to find a MA system that can teach you "how" and not just teach you "what" and "why".

A: Dear teach! I want to learn technique X.
B: If you can use technique X and take down 1000 opponents on the mat, the chance that you will be able to take down the 1001 opponent will be high.

That 1000 winning record is the best evidence.

A: Teacher, can you show me supporting evidence (e.g., video) of you, your student or anyone else using technique X, while integrating your striking and wrestling methods taking down 1000 opponents in fights?
B: No.
A: Ok. Then, I will go do MMA taking your wisdom.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

A: Teacher, can you show me supporting evidence (e.g., video) of you, your student or anyone else using technique X, while integrating your striking and wrestling methods taking down 1000 opponents in fights?
B: No.
A: Ok. Then, I will go do MMA taking your wisdom.

A: Can you show me any video that you have killed your opponent?
B: No.
A: OK. Then, your MA is no good.

 

[marvin8]

A: Can you show me any video that you have killed your opponent?
B: No.
A: OK. Then, your MA is no good.

A: Can you show me any video that you have used technique X, while integrating your striking and wrestling methods taking down 1000 opponents in fights??
B: No.
A: OK. When you can, please let me know. I'd love to learn from you if that works.

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[_Simon_]

I disagree. Sometimes even the better fighter loses a match, so it doesn’t prove anything. I don’t believe anyone is seriously considering obviously phony instructors or systems in this particular discussion.

Yeah that's fair enough, but I'm certainly not saying that the better methods are 100% guaranteed or foolproof. I'm sure even the best in the fields of other endeavours make mistakes too and are also subject to uncontrollable variables which impinge on their results. And I also don't think it's 100% measurable or able to be perfectly scientific because fights aren't in perfect laboratory conditions and are quite chaotic and can be unpredictable. There are too many variables. I do feel that some methodologies are more efficient and produce perhaps better results, when it comes to specific outcomes in specific contexts and situations. But like I said, I don't feel it can be as scientific a method as some say, too many variables. So I guess what we're really dealing with is increasing likelihoods, probabilities and of course skills (which include perceptual elements too).

That being said, and it can never be said enough.... ---> it depends.

 

[gyoja]

Yeah that's fair enough, but I'm certainly not saying that the better methods are 100% guaranteed or foolproof. I'm sure even the best in the fields of other endeavours make mistakes too and are also subject to uncontrollable variables which impinge on their results. And I also don't think it's 100% measurable or able to be perfectly scientific because fights aren't in perfect laboratory conditions and are quite chaotic and can be unpredictable. There are too many variables. I do feel that some methodologies are more efficient and produce perhaps better results, when it comes to specific outcomes in specific contexts and situations. But like I said, I don't feel it can be as scientific a method as some say, too many variables. So I guess what we're really dealing with is increasing likelihoods, probabilities and of course skills (which include perceptual elements too).

That being said, and it can never be said enough.... ---> it depends.

Fair enough.

 

[auntlisa1103]

Am I the only one who has noticed that this thread has become EXACTLY what I was talking about?

A need to be RIGHT.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Am I the only one who has noticed that this thread has become EXACTLY what I was talking about?

A need to be RIGHT.

A good MA system needs to have

1. What - A set of principles that define the system.
2. Why - Why those principles are needed?
3. How - How to develop such principles?

I have cross trained a MA system that I don't know that system even have 1, 2, and 3. Students just learned 1 form after another without knowing what they are doing and what their goals should be. IMO, that's not a good MA system.

 

[drop bear]

A: Can you show me any video that you have killed your opponent?
B: No.
A: OK. Then, your MA is no good.

There are examples that are pretty obvious you could have killed someone.

 

[drop bear]

Am I the only one who has noticed that this thread has become EXACTLY what I was talking about?

A need to be RIGHT.

Wait a second.

Irony?

 

[gyoja]

Wait a second.

Irony?

You still haven’t answered the question.

 

[drop bear]

You still haven’t answered the question.

Yes. Yes I have.

You didn't like the answer.

Look. If you want me to say MMA is better. I don't have to do that on the grounds of effectiveness.

I can do that purely on access and opportunity.

If we are comparing systems with recognised specialist coaches in well equipped centres that are open to training 7 days a week and producing observable and recordable results. In a martial art that you can earn big money travelling the world.

That also has recognisable benefits for veterans with PTSD. or has reduced police injury and overuse of force.(ok that is mostly BJJ.)

VS.

Dedicated student train both days.

Then there is a pretty clear best.

But that is not saying anyone has to do a best martial arts. Or even be a good martial artist.

It is just laying out an informed choice for people who are quite simply struggling to work through this smokescreen of misinformation and poor logic.

 

[gyoja]

Yes. Yes I have.

You didn't like the answer.

No. No you didn’t.

You avoided the question.

With your edit, it seems that you are implying that BJJ or MMA is the best systems. Sounds accurate?

 

[drop bear]

No. No you didn’t.

You avoided the question.

With your edit, it seems that you are implying that BJJ or MMA is the best systems. Sounds accurate?

This is what you are competing with. This is a club run by a mate of mine.

Veterans MMA – All Veterans Welcome

veteransmma.net

Does your club provide the same service to the community and quality instruction?

 

[gyoja]

This is what you are competing with. This is a club run by a mate of mine.

Veterans MMA – All Veterans Welcome

veteransmma.net

Does your club provide the same service to the community and quality instruction?

So you are implying that if a school doesn’t offer certain services to the community then that MA is not good? Laughable.

 

[drop bear]

So you are implying that if a school doesn’t offer certain services to the community then that MA is not good? Laughable.

So .you can't find a comparable school.

Which means that school is just better.

There is better martial arts and worse martial arts.

Simples.

Interestingly. Because that offers a better service than our school. Instead of griping about how unfair life is. We are trying to adopt a similar program.

And some guys are collaborating to participate in our own 24hr grappathon to help returned servicemen.

And that is just to showcase how mean and petty and self serving the argument that there is no bets. Actually is.

 

[gyoja]

So .you can't find a comparable school.

Which means that school is just better.

There is better martial arts and worse martial arts.

Simples.

Only in your mind. I have a small school and have won matches against much bigger schools. Does that make my MA better? No. You are implying that BJJ and MMA is superior to other MAs, which is completely untrue.

 

[drop bear]

Only in your mind. I have a small school and have won matches against much bigger schools. Does that make my MA better? No. You are implying that BJJ and MMA is superior to other MAs, which is completely untrue.

Because reasons or Because that upsets you?

What are your cross training opportunities and online technical support like?

Any good?

Can you access and integrate world champions methodology?