And the Constitution is good enough for me when it comes to defense. We don't live in a free market yet, so we need the state for some things at the moment.
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So, the options are:
-total collapse, and lose my freedom and property
or
-let the government take it, live in government housing, work a government job, and eat government food, so I can keep my freedom and property.
Didn't they try this in Cuba? Soviet Russia? North Korea? A few other places?
I mean, how do I not have freedom now?
How do I not have property now? That Prius I'm driving around in...who owns that again? The house I'm going to buy....that won't be mine?
Last I checked, I didn't need to carry papers, don't need permission to move about the country, can even visit other countries without waiting months for permission. Hell, I've got an invitation to Europe next year. You mean I have to get a permission slip? ****. I don't even know where to start looking for that.
I think it would hurt a lot more if we downsize like you suggest. Once Chinese tanks level Maui and Mexican drug lords have taken Tempe, we might wish we'd kept some of those jets flying and tanks operational.
Are you ok with being told what job you'll be doing? Told to shut down your school and cease teaching the art you love because it's not on the 'allowed' list?
Not me. I want less government, however I recognize that only a fool lays down their arms in a hostile environment. But, rather than argue, lets wait 2 years. We can check how California is doing then, considering they just put up a huge welcome sign for illegals, quintupled their tax burden by offering free educations to illegals, and are working hard to fully demilitarize their law abiding citizens. I bet the crime rate drops like a rock soon, the economy booms, and lifestyles will just be awesome.
I'm sorry, but I just can't see things the way you appear to be seeing them. I still view these protesters (paid by Obama supporters) and their nutty demands (which show a lack of understanding of economics, human nature, or practicality, as well as history) as dangerous to a free society.
The collapse will lead to more government. And I'm not saying we don't need any guns. We just need to downsize big time and end the empire. How much does China spend on defense?
Downsizing won't lead to anything but more wealth and freedom for us all.
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Big Don
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[h=2]FIGHT TO HOLD WALLSTREET ACCOUNTABLE NOW! MAKE A DIFFERNENCE GET PAID![/h]
Date: 2011-09-26, 5:09PM EDT
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Why? How?
There isn't a limit currently on wealth. Though some idiots want to cap the max you can make.
But right now, if I want to put the time in, and do what I need to do, I can make a few million by Christmas.
I'm unaware that there's a quota set for 41 yr old geeks from WNY who like shooting hot chicks in their underwear and bragging about it on web forums.
Wealth is limitless. Everyone can get a share, they only have to -work- for it.
Having a highly marketable idea helps.
Anyone want to buy a slightly used pet rock?
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
That isn't, btw, the $20per hour "Living wage"...
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
I'm withholding the smart *** remarks... for now
Being released from the tax burden of empire, American citizens would prosper like never before. The threat from terrorism would drop because our foreign policy is no longer creating terrorists. Entire departments could be dismantled, starting with homeland security and propaganda....err I mean education. Productive sectors of the economy would build rather being flushed down the blowing stuff up hole. Cutting defense is the first step toward a new American renaissance.
Your thoughts on wealth probably need a new thread. They are checked by the system of currency we use now, though. It's limited by definition.
I'm back. It was fun. Gave lots of lefties and righties earfulls.
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Your thoughts on wealth probably need a new thread. They are checked by the system of currency we use now, though. It's limited by definition.
I'm back. It was fun. Gave lots of lefties and righties earfulls.
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Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
There is not and never has been an American Empire.
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Which, conservatives said was completely unnecessary.
Which conservatives said was completely unnecessary
Tell that to his Imperial Majesty Emperor Norton I, "Emperor of these United States" and "Protector of Mexico".
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
That guy, and apparently a poster or two, and some of the assorted nutjobs are the only ones who believe that.
[h=2]This Week in Government Failure[/h] Posted by Tad DeHaven
Over at Downsizing the Federal Government, we focused on the following issues this past week:
Over at Downsizing the Federal Government, we focused on the following issues this past week:
- When it comes to such things as infrastructure, education, and investing in “industries of the future,” the government should get out of the way and let entrepreneurs and markets drive America’s prosperity in the global economy.
- Entitlements versus Liberty.
- It seems that the more the government intervenes in society, the more it will work against both the people and itself.
- It’s Congress that needs to be doing the “page by page, line by line” review of the federal budget.
- We can spur growth by encouraging a culture of entrepreneurship, repealing barriers to entry, reducing taxes on risky investments, and simply getting out of the way of the next generation of Steve Jobses.
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None of this stuff represents what I see of the occupywallstreet crowd. I see American friends online that are still angry that Wall Street triggered a double dip recession. In fact, the double dip seems to be the real trigger here. And they're getting angry looking at the compensation differences. They're angry that CEO's were rewarded for failure.
http://heritageinstitute.com/governance/compensation.htm#Average_Compensation_of_CEOs
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Source: Towers Perrin & Finfacts
(*Employee compensation used to calculate these averages were those working in industrial companies with about $500 million in annual sales.)
Most of my American friends are 20-35 yo and they're even split for conservative and liberal (Most of my Canadian and British friends are liberal.) Things are going to need to change because this isn't a left vs right issue as I'm seeing it. Social mobility has decreased and cost of living has increased and wages haven't moved. I see anger and hostility growing and if something doesn't improve for the middle classes in the US it's going to get messy.
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(*Employee compensation used to calculate these averages were those working in industrial companies with about $500 million in annual sales.)
Most of my American friends are 20-35 yo and they're even split for conservative and liberal (Most of my Canadian and British friends are liberal.) Things are going to need to change because this isn't a left vs right issue as I'm seeing it. Social mobility has decreased and cost of living has increased and wages haven't moved. I see anger and hostility growing and if something doesn't improve for the middle classes in the US it's going to get messy.
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
Yeah, that is the type of WRONG math you're using, We know.
It was government involvement that caused the depression we're in, and it's government involvement that is causing it to last past the normal 2-3 year period.
They have
1 flooded the economy with more money, trillions of dollars. Result, higher prices.
2 bailed out 'cant fail' businesses. Result, higher debt, businesses still screwing up.
3 Allowed other businesses to fail. Result, displaced workers.
4 2 + 3 equals interference in the normal righting process, delaying the redistribution of resources needed to right the economy naturally.
5 paid out multiple 'stimuluses'. Result, short term ease, long term debt.
6 taken control of numerous companies. Result, government is now in the banking, investment, loan and auto industries. Unconstitutional. Further interference delaying the normal correction.
As to CEO earnings, here's a few questions:
- Why is no one marching on the NFL to bring Quarterback pay into line too?
- Does a CEO earning $1B mean there is $1B less for you?
- How many of those CEO's make a pittance in salary, but earn nice bonuses if the company does well?
-- Would you want to work under the same terms? (Note, I do. My salary is $1 per year.)
- Do you really think that the 'rank and file' who 'works 9-5' deserve the same compensation as a CEO who may work 7 days a week and put in 12+ hour days?
- Should the US limit peoples ability to earn because other countries do too?
They have
1 flooded the economy with more money, trillions of dollars. Result, higher prices.
2 bailed out 'cant fail' businesses. Result, higher debt, businesses still screwing up.
3 Allowed other businesses to fail. Result, displaced workers.
4 2 + 3 equals interference in the normal righting process, delaying the redistribution of resources needed to right the economy naturally.
5 paid out multiple 'stimuluses'. Result, short term ease, long term debt.
6 taken control of numerous companies. Result, government is now in the banking, investment, loan and auto industries. Unconstitutional. Further interference delaying the normal correction.
As to CEO earnings, here's a few questions:
- Why is no one marching on the NFL to bring Quarterback pay into line too?
- Does a CEO earning $1B mean there is $1B less for you?
- How many of those CEO's make a pittance in salary, but earn nice bonuses if the company does well?
-- Would you want to work under the same terms? (Note, I do. My salary is $1 per year.)
- Do you really think that the 'rank and file' who 'works 9-5' deserve the same compensation as a CEO who may work 7 days a week and put in 12+ hour days?
- Should the US limit peoples ability to earn because other countries do too?
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
QFT and amplification
Empty Hands
Senior Master
Prices are not uniformly higher. Core inflation is still very low - we were actually in a few quarters of deflation a while back. Cheap money is obviously not the reason for price hikes in certain sectors (i.e. energy and health).
This is just agitprop. The rich are rich because they are better people. You have no idea what average CEO working hours are. You can't point to one CEO like Bill Gates who famously worked long hours and then claim they all do. I work 80 hour weeks. Where is my $500 million if that's how it's supposed to work? CEOs also get paid when they fail spectacularly, not too many of us can claim that, no matter how hard we work.
Yes, inflation is very low, 0% in some areas in fact. Not a good thing.
I work 60+ hour weeks. Not rich either. I don't get paid when things suck either.
I also never said 'all do'. I'm sure Trumps work week is quite short these days.
I wonder what it was in his early years.
