Martial D
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They are the same thing if you believe they are. Evidence isn't importantAre you describing Astronomy?
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They are the same thing if you believe they are. Evidence isn't importantAre you describing Astronomy?
People just believed they could until the 50th guy that stepped off the cliff happened to be wearing a wingsuit he thought looked snazzy.So you don't think flight was an evidence based endever?
Sorry can you walk me through how you think flight happened? Without using the process of experimentation and evidence.
The way that I'm using belief is correct.I think the issue is you're using belief different than other people. I think a better word, depending on which specific "belief" you're discussing, is either hope, expectation, or ambition.
Have you ever had an ambition in something that you don't believe?Man had an ambition to be able to fly, so they set out to try and prove that they could. Belief (at least how it's commonly used), implies that you will take it as fact that x exists/is possible/is true, and when it's already fact in someone's mind, there's no real need to prove it.
Only when there was evidence.So you don't think flight was an evidence based endever?
Sure. Very easy. You can see for yourself.Sorry can you walk me through how you think flight happened? Without using the process of experimentation and evidence.
i think people saw things fly before they figured out how to get us up there. We could observe that flight was possible.Sure. Very easy. You can see for yourself.
Design something that has never existed on this planet before. Meaning that there is no evidence that it is possible there is no evidence that it isn't possible.
Start there. Once you are there. You let me know where your idea comes from in the absence of evidence.
People HOPED humans could fly, because they could see that flying was possible.Man believed humans could fly long before there was evidence of it. Belief before evidence.
Wow. Just...wow.What you believe has nothing to do with religion.
I cannot find a way to parse this that even begins to make sense.Case in point. Use science to prove that your statement is true. Then tell me what religion your statement proves that you are in..
I call em like I see em. It’s evidence based.Wow. So sorry about your feelings, but your accusations are baseless and your ad hominem argument is dismissed. Try to focus on the topic.
I believe you believe that it’s evidence based.I call em like I see em. It’s evidence based.
Sure. Very easy. You can see for yourself.
Design something that has never existed on this planet before. Meaning that there is no evidence that it is possible there is no evidence that it isn't possible.
Start there. Once you are there. You let me know where your idea comes from in the absence of evidence.
Superman did. And he’s real. I believe that.I think you are potentially missing the massive amount of work that turns an idea in to a practicality.
Nobody just went. Hey flying would be cool and just flew.
So sticking with your example of flying... nobody did this.Sure. Very easy. You can see for yourself.
Design something that has never existed on this planet before. Meaning that there is no evidence that it is possible there is no evidence that it isn't possible.
I think it played out like that too. But man would have only tried to figure a way to fly if they believed that it was possible. Seeing birds fly is only evidence that birds fly. It is not evidence that man can fly. Sort of like a spider spinning web from his butt, doesn't mean humans can do it.i think people saw things fly before they figured out how to get us up there. We could observe that flight was possible.
Look man. I really think you’ve allowed yourself to get out on a limb, trying desperately to justify an extreme, unreasonable position, and are just too stubborn to admit it.I think it played out like that too. But man would have only tried to figure a way to fly if they believed that it was possible. Seeing birds fly is only evidence that birds fly. It is not evidence that man can fly. Sort of like a spider spinning web from his butt, doesn't mean humans can do it.
Historically pictures from all cultures show human figures with wings. So that suggest that mans would need wings to fly only because birds had them. Much of the early design for flying machines were bird like in design. Ironically the first flight was a hot air balloon if you want to call floating flying.
about 20 years ago I read a debate that the first flying machine was created by Leonardo Da Vinci as described by some written account. My personal thought is that he wasn't trying to reproduce how birds fly. If birds fly like A, then humans must fly like A.
I think if we took him out of the past, he would rather create this type of stuff than to create planes.
I believe it's true. But I don't think the people who hoped it were the ones who pursued it. There's a lot of stuff that I hope for, but I only go after the stuff that I believe.People HOPED humans could fly, because they could see that flying was possible.
Religion is always about belief, but belief isn't always about religion. Religion is always about faith, but faith isn't always about religion.Religion is 100% about belief.
If you take my challenge then you will be one of the many who have done it. The first thing that will come to your mind is the idea void of evidence, then the belief that it is something that you can make true.So sticking with your example of flying... nobody did this.
There was an abundance of evidence that flying was possible. Because birds. Because leaves. Because paper.
Nope. I'm not missing it. I know it's there. But the idea and the belief comes before the work and sometimes it comes before the evidence.I think you are potentially missing the massive amount of work that turns an idea in to a practicality.
Nobody just went. Hey flying would be cool and just flew.
And there you have it. Your belief.I believe you believe that it’s evidence based.
What is the extreme that I'm trying to justify?Look man. I really think you’ve allowed yourself to get out on a limb, trying desperately to justify an extreme, unreasonable position, and are just too stubborn to admit it.
ha ha ha too stubborn.unreasonable position, and are just too stubborn to admit it.