It wouldn't be Aikido, though, it would be a technique used in Aikdio, without the aiki development. I know of no short way to develop those body principles. So I can teach a hip throw to almost anyone, and it'll look like you'd expect (rather Judo-ish). But to teach them to do it with aiki principles requires a foundation of exercises that develop those.
My assertion is that the grab isn't meant to be what it is in the drill. This, again, goes to to the nature of a lot of classical training, as I understand it. The grab started from, I think, a defense against a sword thrust or similar attack, where there was more inertia on the hand movement, so it was easier to time that grab. Can it still be done against a punch? Sure, kinda. But not if you just try to grab a punch. The idea isn't - again, my take - to try to grab the punch, but to wait until your defense ends up with a punch that hangs out (they miss and overextend, for instance) and you find your hand on the arm and can disrupt structure. From there, the transition to the technique is more realistic.
I seem to recall hearing a story of LeBell grading in Aikido after several months of training. Can't recall who from, though, so can't begin to guess if it was accurate.
I've always wanted to learn the falls they use. I learned one of them - their version of a front fall. Never really could wrap my head around the others. I always spooked folks when I visited Aikido dojos, because my falls are so much harder (ours are Judo-style) than theirs.
His email is [email protected]
Hey, I'm happy to email him, but would appreciate some help with the language. What exactly is it we think he doesn't know or wasn't taught? I want to be sure I get the jargon right. I'll be happy to take on writing the actual email and all that... just looking for some teamwork.
I've got no clue. I'd have to read through like 8 pages of this thread and parse them to figure it out, otherwise I would have just emailed him directly. I'm on the same page as you-some of the stuff he's said seems pretty similar to stuff Gerry has said so not sure where exactly the distinction is. Hopefully @Gerry Seymour @Mider or @O'Malley can help with that.
Yes, he knows Aikido. From my understanding each system has similarities but nuanced differences.If it helps, let's just start with you winning the argument. I'm fine with that. So, no more goal posts to move since we all know who won.
Regarding Dan the Wolfman, yeah, I do think it's a valid question whether he actually knew any aikido. I know how to do an RNC. Do I know ninjutsu, aikido, judo, or sambo? They all teach the same technique. So, yeah, it doesn't make sense to me that Dan learns a trick and then says he knows Aikido. I don't get it. Maybe you could explain it to me.
And regarding Gene LeBell... yeah, the famous judoka. I had know idea he was an aikidoka. Is that what you're suggesting? Not saying it's wrong... just saying I've never heard it before. News to me, and a quick google search didn't turn up anything linking Gene LeBell and aikido. So, if you could point me to some information, I would appreciate it. I'm curious.
Regarding BJJ, if it works, it's BJJ.
That is a great video. Really fun to watch that guy fall with style.
As I was watching that video, it occurred to me that falling is one thing aikidoka actually do train a lot. They fall a lot, and with style. I bet aikido, along with tricking, parkour, and TKD, would be an excellent compliment to stunt work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we learned that many of them do train in aikido.
Of course it is, half the guys here who act like their experts like,y have no credentials.
This was regarding the issues that one/all of the three of you brought up that rokas doesn't appear to understand/discuss specific aikido principles. Steve offered to write an email to him about those principles, to determine if they are part of his aikido/if he does actually understand them, so that's what that response was referring to.
I’m not a fan of Rokas
Yes, I read that from the earlier posts. Something one of you wrote about how he doesn't follow basic aiki principles, among other things. Which is why Steve offered to email him asking him about said principles to see if he does know of them/why he doesn't appear to demonstrate them in his videos.
I think my point was that I have heard of Gene LeBell, the judoka. I have never heard of Gene LeBell, the aikidoka. My request was that you help a guy out by giving me some additional background on his connect to aikido, rather than making unsubstantiated claims and then getting defensive when asked about it.
Hey, I'll on record as a cuddly, old guy well past my prime. My shoulders are shot, and I'm much happier baking and building things than fighting anymore. But this is a discussion forum, and hopefully we're not looking to scrap with each other here. That just seems unnecessary.
Exactly. My guess is that he does, and if asked, he could probably explain them just fine.
But I didn’t mention you?
