chris_มวยไทย;697701 said:
why is it that about 80% of all stand up vs grappling fights ive seen have resulted in a win to the grappler?
Ordinarily, I would take issue with the "80%" as I often do with random "statistics." However, since the Chris' statement said "fights ive seen," then it is a fair estimate of what percentage chris has witnessed. To this, my answer is simple. It is because you have witnessed more fights where the grappler happened to beat a "stand up" fighter.
Most of the other comments in this thread have been fairly logical and accurate according to my own personal experience. The winner of any fight depends on a few factors. One is the physical attributes of the person fighting. Some of the things that give a person the "physical" advantage include: being stronger, quicker, having longer reach (for strikers), or having a shorter, more compact body structure (for throwing and grappling). A person who faces an opponent with greater physical attributes must do something else to overcome that disadvantage.
This is where I identify the second factor: Technical skills. This is what some would attribute to the "style" the individual studies, but I would suggest that is not really the case. Most people lump Martial Art schools in groups according to what their historical background is, and what area of technical skills they favor, and call this the "style." As it has been mentioned, most fighters today will train to be fairly well-rounded, and are able to handle a variety of situations.
I label the areas as three basic categories, which can be further divided into sub-categories. An unarmed attacker (in the street or in the ring) is going to do one of three things to me: 1. Strike me, 2. Throw me to the ground, or 3. grab and hold me. Any one, or combination of these three can be utilized by my attacker, as well as by me when defending.
A strike can be performed with virtually any part of the body (hand, foot, knee, elbow, head, shoulder, hip, and the list goes on), and can be done at long range, medium range, and close range. Strikes can be executed effectively while standing, sitting, or lying on the ground with minor adjustments to position, angle, and which strikes to use.
A throw can be performed by a skilled fighter which would either end the fight right there, or incapacitate the attacker to make a finishing strike, or hold a relatively easy application (including chokes, and twists to break bones).
The fact is that none of the techniques in any category have an inherent superiority over either of the other categories. A strike is only effective if it hits the target, and lands with enough force to do damage. A throw will only work if you are able to off balance your opponent, enter close enough to execute, and have the attacker land poorly so as not to be able to recover and continue to fight. Any hold achieved through the process of grappling will be effective if you can avoid being struck or thrown prior to full application. You can apply submission or injury holds while standing, sitting or lying on the ground as well.
If someone attempts to strike, then you can avoid the hit or reduce the major impact. If someone attempts to throw, then you should avoid being off balance or reduce the major impact. If someone attempts to grab and hold, you can avoid the grab, release from the grab, reverse the hold, throw them if they are standing, or strike them any way you can. If you are a good grappler, you might be superior in that category, but otherwise, striking can still prevail.
The third factor that I attribute to a successful match is the mental ability of the fighter. This includes a wide range of knowledge, skill, and individual qualities. Some of these include the following: trickery and deception, timing, quick reactions, mental focus, determination, motivation, perseverance, indomitable spirit, and how to properly apply the skills which they possess.
Consider that a person who trains with only one kicking technique, and nothing else, they would be limited in their options. However, if they became so quick, powerful, accurate, and skillful in the application of that one kick, there might not be anyone who could get past it. My High School wrestling coach used to tell a story about one of his past students who had mastered one skill - - a counter to a single-leg take-down which resulted in a pinning hold. He would stand with one leg forward, unprotected, just taunting his opponents to take it. If they did, his move never failed him. Not that he would have been unbeatable world-wide in any arena under any rules, but it worked for him then on the wrestling mat.
chris_มวยไทย;697701 said:
is it really 100% about the fighter , if it is then why do grapplers always win??!!
I think we can agree that this is not true. Not only do grapplers not "always" win, but there is not a higher percentage based on grappling vs. striking, or throwing unless there are restrictions by rules agreed upon.
I began my training in wrestling and Judo in 1965 at the age of five. Three years of Junior High wrestling, and three years of Senior High wrestling. When I was 15, I joined a Judo dojo and could beat the Black Belts in grappling - - until they applied a choke hold since I was not accustomed to these "illegal" maneuvers. I quickly learned. I knew these holds, but my years in wrestling had conditioned me not to use them, nor to defend against them. Today, I train smarter. I prefer to remain in the "out of range" position. "You want me, come and get me!" - lol.
If you can get past my legs, my hands are just as deadly. If you grab me, I can strike, kick, or throw at close range. If you take me down, and survive the fraction of a second it takes to do so, then I will grapple. I know what to do on the ground, but if you are better than me at grappling because that is your main focus, I will do enough to avoid being injured or restrained, and position myself to strike with deadly force. If I can get to my feet, all the better, but I do not rely on that option. I will strike with hands, elbows, knees, feet, etc. from a variety of trajectories.
That is my strategy! It might work, and it might not, but it depends mostly on the two (or more) individuals involved, and what skills they bring to the fight. You might be better than me in 99% of your chosen techniques promoted by your "style," but I will do my best to exploit that 1%.
CM. D.J. Eisenhart
(Somebody has something like that in their signature).
