Yes Tang Soo Do was a named used by GM Lee, but it was not limited to use only by him. There were several terms to describe the karate based martial art that they were doing, without using the troublesome karate name.
Quote:Originally Posted by KarateMomUSA
Yes I understand. But we must realize that complex issues have no real easy answers.
Yes it is a simple question, not a complex question at all. The answer is simple, they were basically doing the karate he learned abroad, plus his exposure to Chinese martial arts, along with his particular take, focus, methods of instructing etc.
Never heard that either he or the CDK had done tangsudo, but again, you end up in the same place:
Which is not that he was "doing CDK," but that he was doing the same thing that the CDK was doing.
One knows not to grab the kettle around the middle when it is boiling because one's hand will be burned from common sense. One does not know historical events from common sense, though yes, karate was at the core of what most of them were doing.
None of which makes ITF taekwondo the original taekwondo. Please look up the definition for the word 'original' and use it properly. If you wish to create your own coloquial meanings for words, that is fine when you are with your friends. But on a public forum, please use the accepted definitions of words if you have any interest in meaningful communication with others.
I don't think you will find many sources that address this, as they simply do not want to highlight the karate connection. Some independents like Grandmaster Kim Soo do speak about this in general terms, as well as GM Lee Chong Woo who used the general term karate.
Yes I can certainly do this, as stated in the other thread. I appreciate your feedback as you are reading the posts. Thank you.
There were various ways to call the karate something other than karate, as that was a Japanese term. Grandmaster Lee Won Kuk is credited with coming up with the Tang Su Do term, way of China/Tang hand. Kong Soo Do, a Korean way of saying karate or empty hand way, or Kwon Bup, fist method, all implying in some fashion fighting with hands were used in those early days. Grandmaster Hwang Kee tried using Hwa Soo Do, but apparently dropped that in favor of the more popular Tang Su Do label. We know that he continued to use that name, even though he was not the 1st to use it.
I agree that this has been remarkably civil especially in the TKD areana. I am not sure if your general statement was brought on by Glenn's last question, but I think the question Glenn raises is a valid question. Especailly when you consider many people have asked him about conversations that he has had with pioneers and Dr. Kim.
While the unification was indeed a great accomplishment, it was not complete. It did include all the kwans, but not all kwan members & not all kwan founders & not a current kwanjangnim.
Yes good points, thank you, it does seem that the national pride thing is important.
I think that there is some confusion among the term Tang Soo Do & Kong Soo Do as umbrella terms that were used to avoid the karate name. While GM Lee came up with the term, GM Hwang Kee continued with its use, making his own martial art & the Tang Soo Do name played prominently in that process.
Nobody really knows anything except what they have been told, I guess it is all up to one's interpitation of things.
