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PeachMonkey
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Good point. Sorry for the thread gankage.
2000 and counting...
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kenpo tiger
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One might ask the same question with regard to Iraq and why we're there.PeachMonkey said:
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PeachMonkey
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kenpo tiger said:
Yeah, and I think my opinion on that particular question is pretty clear. I'll cut you slack for not actually answering my question since I ganked the thread.
kenpo tiger
Senior Master
:supcool:PeachMonkey said:Yeah, and I think my opinion on that particular question is pretty clear. I'll cut you slack for not actually answering my question since I ganked the thread.
Whyn't you start another on that topic? I'm not feeling a question right now... but I'm sure you can come up with something to get the ball rolling.:boing1:
michaeledward
Grandmaster
As of October 16, 2004, the website www.icasualties.org shows 1,100 United States service member fatalities in Iraq.
michaeledward
Grandmaster
As of October 25, 2004, the website icasualties.org is reporting there have been 1106 US Fatalities in Iraq.
On May 1, 2003, President Bush declared the end of major combat operations on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln in front of a banner that read 'Mission Accomplished'.
From that day forward, there have been 997 total fatalities in Iraq (all coalition), according to the same website.
On July 2, 2003, President Bush indicated that the United States resolve was unrelenting. He indicated this with the bravado phrase, "Bring 'em on". Since uttering that phrase, 900 United States soldiers have died in Iraq.
On May 1, 2003, President Bush declared the end of major combat operations on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln in front of a banner that read 'Mission Accomplished'.
From that day forward, there have been 997 total fatalities in Iraq (all coalition), according to the same website.
On July 2, 2003, President Bush indicated that the United States resolve was unrelenting. He indicated this with the bravado phrase, "Bring 'em on". Since uttering that phrase, 900 United States soldiers have died in Iraq.
OP
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you know...I'm kind of upset that this thread has gone on so long.....cause every time I read this thread it's never good news....the arrogance of this administration is astounding..."Mission Accomplished"...."Bring 'em on"....
Yesterday Dick Cheney was at my university....the only people that even knew he was coming were the people that "were supposed to know"...aka college republicans, etc....
the only notice about it most of the students recieved from the university was that some parking lots would be closed...nothing in the school paper...no emails...no big signs....to see it you had to go and find tickets downtown and sign a pledge of loyalty...if more students had known about it...there would have been a lot more protesters than the few that had heard about it...
Yesterday Dick Cheney was at my university....the only people that even knew he was coming were the people that "were supposed to know"...aka college republicans, etc....
the only notice about it most of the students recieved from the university was that some parking lots would be closed...nothing in the school paper...no emails...no big signs....to see it you had to go and find tickets downtown and sign a pledge of loyalty...if more students had known about it...there would have been a lot more protesters than the few that had heard about it...
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sifu Adams
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The loss of our men is hard however, right or wrong we must support them. I have always been told some time your best defence is to strike first. If someone was threating me or my family it would not take over 2-3 times before I called them out. Win or lose the threat would be over.
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yes...but what was Iraq's threat to us...as has been shown in thread after thread....none...which makes each loss of life on boths sides...even more tragic...it's war and people die...but when what we went to war for was a lie...that's even worse...sifu Adams said:
Flatlander
Grandmaster
When you alone bear the burden of the consequences of that decision to strike pre-emptively, then that's fine with me. Because that clearly is not the case here, your analogy doesn't relate very well.sifu Adams said:
It does, and it doesn't. It's a a matter of definition IMO.
There are reasons why I would strike first. Money, power are not 2.
To protect my friends and family, yes I would.
The reasons given for invading Iraq were:
- Sadamn has WMD (He didn't)
- Sadamn was helping Osama (He wasn't)
- Sadamn was not complying with UN requirements (He was, and wasn't)
- Sadamn was involved with the 9/11 attacks. (He wasn't)
Right now, the butchers bill is over 10,000 US and allied casulties, and upwards of 100,000 Iraqi casulties. A war started based on flawed intellegence, a non-existant exit plan, and without UN or majority support. Sympathy for the US that came out in the shadow of 9/11 has turned to open resentment, and a nation that had pulled together tighter than in the past 60 years is now more divided than any other time since the 1860's.
The true tragedy however isn't the tens of thousands of lives lost and disrupted, it is the loss of freedoms and security in a world that is now a darker and more dangerous place than it was before. I hope everyone has a strong stomach, for the butcher is still hungry, and more will yet be spent to pay his grisley bill.
There are reasons why I would strike first. Money, power are not 2.
To protect my friends and family, yes I would.
The reasons given for invading Iraq were:
- Sadamn has WMD (He didn't)
- Sadamn was helping Osama (He wasn't)
- Sadamn was not complying with UN requirements (He was, and wasn't)
- Sadamn was involved with the 9/11 attacks. (He wasn't)
Right now, the butchers bill is over 10,000 US and allied casulties, and upwards of 100,000 Iraqi casulties. A war started based on flawed intellegence, a non-existant exit plan, and without UN or majority support. Sympathy for the US that came out in the shadow of 9/11 has turned to open resentment, and a nation that had pulled together tighter than in the past 60 years is now more divided than any other time since the 1860's.
The true tragedy however isn't the tens of thousands of lives lost and disrupted, it is the loss of freedoms and security in a world that is now a darker and more dangerous place than it was before. I hope everyone has a strong stomach, for the butcher is still hungry, and more will yet be spent to pay his grisley bill.
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Ronald R. Harbers
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Are we not free born Americans? I am a free born American and I will not submit to to such Tyranny.
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PeachMonkey
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Ronald R. Harbers said:
Which Tyranny are you talking about?
George Bush's Amerika I think.
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Ronald R. Harbers
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The Tyranny of having our speech repressed! The Tyranny of property taxes so I cannot live free and support my family! The Tyranny of the Dummacrats and Republicrats as they conspire to suppress our opinions! The Tyranny of the Whigs, who supported England, and became the Democrat Party! Torys all! Good Ole George Washington did not have the luxury of the draft! Our Founding Fathers were Democratic Republicans! Libertarians! The Tyranny of Income Taxes, our fathers would roll over in thier graves to know that we are that stupid! How much Tyranny must I confess?
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PeachMonkey
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Ronald R. Harbers said:
Wow. At least we know you can find the exclamation key.
So what does this particular set of John Birch Society tenets have to do with the topic of the thread?
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Ronald R. Harbers
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I do not know who John Birch is!
RandomPhantom700
Master of Arts
Google.com is out friend....
hardheadjarhead
Senior Master
Ronald, while you're Googling for "John Birch", add the following to your bookmarks...Dictionary.com. There you'll find this definition for tyranny:
The government or authority of a tyrant; a country governed by an absolute ruler; hence, arbitrary or despotic exercise of power; exercise of power over subjects and others with a rigor not authorized by law or justice, or not requisite for the purposes of government.
We don't quite yet have a tyrant in George Bush. The Democrats and Republicans, being political parties, can not manifest tyranny as it is expressed via an individual.
You will also find this:
Exclamation \Ex`cla*ma"tion\, n. [L. exclamatio: cf. F. exclamation.] 1. A loud calling or crying out; outcry; loud or emphatic utterance; vehement vociferation; clamor; that which is cried out, as an expression of feeling; sudden expression of sound or words indicative of emotion, as in surprise, pain, grief, joy, anger, etc.
Note that if this were a verbal discussion in a relaxed setting, we'd be encouraging you to calm down, lay off the caffeine, and take a Xanax before you got us all thrown out of the coffee house. An exclamation mark is best used sparingly. It loses emphasis with over-use, and frankly, it makes the writer look a bit histrionic.
Now that I think of it, my mother used to talk like this.
Regards,
Steve
The government or authority of a tyrant; a country governed by an absolute ruler; hence, arbitrary or despotic exercise of power; exercise of power over subjects and others with a rigor not authorized by law or justice, or not requisite for the purposes of government.
We don't quite yet have a tyrant in George Bush. The Democrats and Republicans, being political parties, can not manifest tyranny as it is expressed via an individual.
You will also find this:
Exclamation \Ex`cla*ma"tion\, n. [L. exclamatio: cf. F. exclamation.] 1. A loud calling or crying out; outcry; loud or emphatic utterance; vehement vociferation; clamor; that which is cried out, as an expression of feeling; sudden expression of sound or words indicative of emotion, as in surprise, pain, grief, joy, anger, etc.
Note that if this were a verbal discussion in a relaxed setting, we'd be encouraging you to calm down, lay off the caffeine, and take a Xanax before you got us all thrown out of the coffee house. An exclamation mark is best used sparingly. It loses emphasis with over-use, and frankly, it makes the writer look a bit histrionic.
Now that I think of it, my mother used to talk like this.
Regards,
Steve
