I think since each school varies as far as rank and file, it's easy enough for a couple bad seeds to put a negative label on a system - we might not be a "Han's" Youn Wha school but I've met people in the association who have a lot to offer and are really stepped up as far as being knowledgeable and being willing to devote time and effort to further my training. And I'm not a Han-Drone, I've studied different styles over the years and been to the worst of 'em... I wouldn't write off the whole organization/system because of that experience, although I do agree - first impressions are the most important! However our school doesn't seem to operate at all in the fashion that you explained (the ultra-fast promotions/contracts etc) although like I said, I can't speak for every school and it's instructors.
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I think since each school varies as far as rank and file, it's easy enough for a couple bad seeds to put a negative label on a system - we might not be a "Han's" Youn Wha school but I've met people in the association who have a lot to offer and are really stepped up as far as being knowledgeable and being willing to devote time and effort to further my training. And I'm not a Han-Drone, I've studied different styles over the years and been to the worst of 'em... I wouldn't write off the whole organization/system because of that experience, although I do agree - first impressions are the most important! However our school doesn't seem to operate at all in the fashion that you explained (the ultra-fast promotions/contracts etc) although like I said, I can't speak for every school and it's instructors.
How about we get a few things straight.
The first tournament I competed in was an open tournament. Show Me State Games. A tournament with completely different sparring rules than how we spar. We spar heavy contact, this tournament was ITF style touch fighting. So maybe you can explain to me where you got the idea that we're not allowed to compete in open tournaments other than within our association?
"you must buy everything through your school and it must have the Han's logo on it"
--- my gloves that I use for sparring are UFC training gloves. As the gloves we use are basically identical to MMA style small oz. gloves. I use them for training, testing, and tournaments. So much for that claim
"you can only compete with other students within the Han system"
---- two weeks ago we cross trained with an ITF school for sparring. lol again, you lose.
"and you had to sign a really big contract"
----- i signed a one page paper for insurance purposes.
I have been training for 16 months now, and I'm a red belt. Considering I hold rank of brown belt with a black stripe in Chung Do Kwan and 2 years of kickboxing experience I moved up in rank faster than everyone in my division, passing a few people. Where's my black belt in a couple months?
People get their black belts and start teaching... uh yeah? Isn't that the purpose to martial arts? You train your mind and body, and part of your training is teaching.
Now for the sake of my enjoyment "Ozzies crew" let's compare shall we?
http://www.freewebs.com/ozziescrew/dads picture.JPG
that's "Grandmaster Ozzie"
http://www.younwha-az.com/sitebuilder/images/swordrev22-232x283_1_-249x311.jpg
Grandmaster Han
take your pick.
Is this believable to you??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! The fact that it makes claims about containing techniques from ALL martial arts just tells me it is a McDojo who is just trying to suck people in and take their money. What a ridiculous thing to claim.
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Show me a traditional martial art today that does not contain techniques from various martial arts. It's quite clear that the word all means general popular martial arts, wushu, shotokan, JJJ, Judo, etc...
I am a Youn Wha instructor that has trained in capoeira and USTF before training in Youn Wha. You need to not take everything you read so literal people. Go to a class - try it out - and then form your opinion - plain and simple. Again just to recap some false truths here:
1) We do NOT have contracts
2) We can compete in open tournaments
3) We can buy gear from outside the organization (I have)
I like training in this system because it's a true training art AND we do most of our advertisement by word of mouth. We also want to bring martial arts to towns and cities that are generally smaller because big "chain" martial art
schools won't go near the small towns and thats not fair.
Also - 90% of our instructors in my area have a full time job OUTSIDE
of teaching martial arts. Our instructors are not in it for the money because teaching martial arts will NOT pay the bills. Before I started teaching I knew that. I wanted to teach, I wanted to pass along knowledge...and that is what is expected - you do not become greedy in your training - you pass along your knowledge in some way.
Did you ever think that schools are opening up (in small towns) because it may be a GOOD system? Small towns generally can smell fraud coming a mile away and I think having schools in small communities allow a closer bond to your students.
We have flaws - but everyone does. This system is not for everyone - we know that. But don't take what you "translate" from just reading on the internet and go meet some of these people.
You want to get more info - I can give you my email address and I will try to answer any questions. BTW - I have been training in this style for 5 years.
1) We do NOT have contracts
2) We can compete in open tournaments
3) We can buy gear from outside the organization (I have)
I like training in this system because it's a true training art AND we do most of our advertisement by word of mouth. We also want to bring martial arts to towns and cities that are generally smaller because big "chain" martial art
schools won't go near the small towns and thats not fair.
Also - 90% of our instructors in my area have a full time job OUTSIDE
of teaching martial arts. Our instructors are not in it for the money because teaching martial arts will NOT pay the bills. Before I started teaching I knew that. I wanted to teach, I wanted to pass along knowledge...and that is what is expected - you do not become greedy in your training - you pass along your knowledge in some way.
Did you ever think that schools are opening up (in small towns) because it may be a GOOD system? Small towns generally can smell fraud coming a mile away and I think having schools in small communities allow a closer bond to your students.
We have flaws - but everyone does. This system is not for everyone - we know that. But don't take what you "translate" from just reading on the internet and go meet some of these people.
You want to get more info - I can give you my email address and I will try to answer any questions. BTW - I have been training in this style for 5 years.
allenjp
Brown Belt
Brown belt in 16 mos. huh? Sounds a little quick to me...combine that with that ridiculous story about the origin, and well, I'm not so sure but I think I smell some salmon in the oven.
BTW an alchemist is someone who tries to turn common metals into Gold or Silver. Not someone who makes potions and such. They can't even get their false stories right.
BTW an alchemist is someone who tries to turn common metals into Gold or Silver. Not someone who makes potions and such. They can't even get their false stories right.
Which story of origin are you talking about? GM Han or of Youn Wha?
If it's about Youn Wha - yeah it's a story, a legend, no one said it was a real event. Again don't be too literal in your reading.
But again any Joe Blow can talk smack about a martial art and never step inside a school. I say don't say anything and keep your mouth shut (too people in general - not focusing on one person here) until you take some classes.
It's like ATA - I know the people that teach in ATA. I have spoken with higher ups in their organization. I dated an instructor in ATA. I have seen their contracts. And I can say that organization is in it for the money as of right now. You know why - cause instructors of schools get commission on X number of students they have and X number of people they test. Now this is in Arkansas - the Headquaters of ATA.
Taken into all this is NOT saying their instructors are bad people in any way. Just the organization in general is just bad.
allenjp
Brown Belt
Fair enough...I would check out one of the schools, but I don't think there are any in Socal. But I make no apollogies for what I said. You have to understand the kind of patent BS that we get around here. And with stories of mystical alchemist princesses tricking all of the world's MA masters into giving up their secrets, well...you get the point.
I do understand -
Remember that word, written or spoke, correct or incorrect, has collapsed
nations and built empires. I just get heated up with incorrect information is passed from non-reliable people that have nothing to do with the subject. And yet many people will listen to that one person...craziness.
There is a school out in California - it was started by a student that trained in Arkansas (I know her personally). I think it's around Berkeley.
Why should it be necessary to invent such a fantastic tale?
I know the origins of my style; I know when and why it went through several changes and restructuring events. While parts are descended from a temple-style martial art used by monks, other parts were developed in particular regions by the people living and defending themselves there. All of this was later combined and systematized into the modern style, including influences from the West, like boxing and wrestling. No fancy stories, no pipe dreams of stolen techniques.
If someone feels a need to come up with that sort of thing, I've got to wonder why. Why not simply say "I studied X-do, Y-jitsu, and Z-tao, and used my own experience to combine them into what I teach today." I may question whether you really needed to combine them or whether your combination is as valid as you think -- but it's an honest statement.
I know the origins of my style; I know when and why it went through several changes and restructuring events. While parts are descended from a temple-style martial art used by monks, other parts were developed in particular regions by the people living and defending themselves there. All of this was later combined and systematized into the modern style, including influences from the West, like boxing and wrestling. No fancy stories, no pipe dreams of stolen techniques.
If someone feels a need to come up with that sort of thing, I've got to wonder why. Why not simply say "I studied X-do, Y-jitsu, and Z-tao, and used my own experience to combine them into what I teach today." I may question whether you really needed to combine them or whether your combination is as valid as you think -- but it's an honest statement.
GM Han did not invent the story. It was told to him by one of his instructors. Again - it's a story. It's kind of like the bed time stories parents tell their kids. Anyway - talking about this is beating a dead horse. I don't repeat this story to my students but maybe once and I tell them that it's a "story- not true - a legend - a myth".
Our training is not mystical or holy or whatever. Maybe the misconception is that we are like the Dim Mak guys that say they can hit you and kill you with one tap of the finger.
We train like many Korean styles train. We practice judo techniques and hapkido techniques. We also practice chinese style punching drills. No smoke and mirrors - no mystical hokey pokey.
Many people seem to be dancing around what they read and "interpret" over the internet. And think about how people reacted when TKD first came to the United States...about how people "said" it was not effective and it looked stupid and many other things I am sure. But it took time to establish and for people to see it for what it truly was. We are such hipocrits when it comes to new things being introduced.
All in all I will continue to train/teach and we will continue to grow IF we stay true to ourselves and our style. One day when we are "established" and the truth is revealed then that may make some of you at ease. But there will still be those who say this or that online. But saying anything online is not hurting the growth of this organization.
Agreed -
Look up a defnition of alchemy
.
- A medieval chemical philosophy having as its asserted aims the transmutation of base metals into gold, the discovery of the panacea, and the preparation of the elixir of longevity.
- A seemingly magical power or process of transmuting: He wondered by what alchemy it was changed, so that what sickened him one hour, maddened him with hunger the next (Marjorie K. Rawlings).
Chinese Alchemists focused more on medicines. Europeans focused on lead turning into gold. BOTH, whoever, had their hands in many things: tincturesm potions, glassworks, extracts, essences, and liquors. Especially liquors.
KenpoTex
Senior Master
someone pass the popcorn...this is better than TV 
Brian S
Purple Belt
I'm in Rogers,AR. Where are you located? I'd like to come by your school and check it out!
someone pass the popcorn...this is better than TV
You need to get out of the weapons forum a little more often.
opcorn:Sadly, fabricated history is also seen in several other martial arts. As a TKD practitioner, I can't really throw stones, as the KKW claims on their site that taekwondo is 2000 years old, somehow forgetting about the shotokan ranks that taekwondo's founders had.
The style does sound interesting, and if any schools pop up in my area, I'll definitely go look just to see what its about.
The origin story would make the basis of a kickin' martial arts movie. And I am not in any way being flipant or sarcastic in saying that.
Daniel
KenpoTex
Senior Master
You need to get out of the weapons forum a little more often.
someone left the door to my cage open...
