I think it might also provide some evasion/recovery options, like the kick in an MMA fight in another recent thread.
Would you label this a spinning back kick or side kick or hybrid?
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I actually can't do the jumping one anymore but that's the one I've used defensively once. Aerial kicks seem very sensitive to inactivity.
Here's a snap of when I could do it, in jeans no less!
dvcochran
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The second kick in the combo around the 3:24 mark I would call a back kick. Everything else I saw was a side kick or a variant of.
Body rotation and foot position give it away the quickest to me. In nearly every kick the striking foot is horizontal and the shoulder/hip rotation is indicative of a side kick.
If you look at the timeframe I mentioned you can see he is mostly looking over his shoulder on the second kick and the toes are down; a back kick.
I'm not sure if it has more acceleration or not, but even if it had the same acceleration (I assume we're talking about average acceleration over the entire movement, to preclude the idea of the acceleration ceasing earlier), and was traveling a longer distance, then (assuming the same static start), it would have to have higher velocity, because it would be under acceleration longer. If it has more acceleration and a longer distance, it has to have a higher velocity at the end.
It's just terminology. There are "techniques between the techniques), where you're using the principles, but operating between the definitions of "techniques". It could be either, neither, or both, depending how you look at it.
I don't think it's so much controversial (no real controversy) as debatable.I posted it with the label spinning back kick on another forum
First reply: "indeed it is", from a Karate expert.
This is starting to look controversial
The mechanics aren't that simplistic. The hips are moving toward the target more than from a static start, and the rotation generates momentum which can be released toward the target.
jobo
Grandmaster
we are likely to get lost in defintions, again,
ate we talking about back kicks or his back kick?
back kick are a lot more energetic than side kicks largly because of the muscles in volved, in particular your activating the glutes to a greater extent,and any back kick were your facing the tarket has a degree if spin in it.
the issue with his " back kick" is the orintatuon of the leg dorsnt fire the glutes much, so he is robbing him self od energy. coz urs a side kick
what he is tryibg to do is to put that energy back with extra spin.
which he may be doibg to a small degree .
there will definelty be tranfer od momentum into the kick, but how much and is this suffibt to make up for the time lost in doibg the spin? its fine if your kick a static target, or in his case air, less clear cut, if the guys goibg to move, forwards to take yoyr back or out of range, if he did that against me( at that speed ) id take him down, if i had the slightest clue that what he was intending, and if i niss times abd got hit, its not the end of the world as im a lot closer than what he was aiming at and there is little power in it, and im still in range with forward momentum
the lissue with the acceleration is( mostly) its in the wrong vector, so the best he is getting centrafugal force accelerating his leg faster and he not spinnibg that fast its a notable amount
he would be far better going bqck to basics and lrarnibg the kick than yrying to get points for artistic impression
DC, who is a tkdexspert and an international class competitor,told him uts wrong, im more likely to go with him,than random peopke imon you tube
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Nothing I said had anything to do with his form. I was replying to a specific comment that seemed confusing to me, where you were pondering whether a longer (timewise) motion with perhaps more acceleration had more velocity.
jobo
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and im applying my comments to his kick and not back kicks in general
henc3 the need to know, exactly what your referibg to
with better form, he may get the extra acceleration he desires, as it is, im far from convinced he gains any real world benifit from his spin. uts slower with liittle extra energy
so again are we talking about back kicks in gereral or his specific version of it
back kicks in general are ace, all the piints you made about acceleration are valid, but thats not what he is doing
Earl Weiss
Senior Master
The 25 CM is specified for Bending Ready Stance Type B (Vol II Page 166).
Earl Weiss
Senior Master
It's relevant in the context provided - Chang Hon Bending ready stance B and Back piercing kick. Not intended for anything else.
He did not state ITF specifically and if he were to be completely open, he would say the ITF Taekwondo encyclopedia
Again, Jamseau does not accept the ITF as authority being that he is KKW affiliated so why write that?
What I'm referring to was your comment about acceleration and velocity. As I said, it seemed confusing. If you didn't mean what I thought, then I'm not sure what your point is in continuing this.
Shouldn't that vary by body size?
jobo
Grandmaster
because longer acceleration time aveaged of a set distance,does not necessary mean a greater speed, between point a and point b,
it can, but it may not, its just wrong to assume it does, unless you can demonstaite its so
in the context of HIS kick o doubt it does, in fact i doubt that he was accelerating for cthe duration of the turn, and as its his kick i was discussing, not back kicks in general, thats a valid point, i feel
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Acceleration is what creates power and there is fantastic acceleration on my leg.
You see this all the time in boxing. Fighters look like they don't hit particularly hard but what they do is employ proper weight transfer and suddenly accelerate with a short hook and that's all it takes.
From the outside it doesn't look like a powerful enough punch to knock someone out, but the devil is in the details, namely acceleration.
The more mass something carries, the less room for acceleration is required.
This is why a lot of boxers throw haymakers, to get that extra travel time. It's harder to knock someone out with petite fists.
From the outside it doesn't look like a powerful enough punch to knock someone out, but the devil is in the details, namely acceleration.
The more mass something carries, the less room for acceleration is required.
This is why a lot of boxers throw haymakers, to get that extra travel time. It's harder to knock someone out with petite fists.
