Wing Chun vs MMA

[RTKDCMB]

What level of contact?

Do you mean what level of contact the martial arts came from or what level of contact was t I sparring them as?

 

[drop bear]

Do you mean what level of contact the martial arts came from or what level of contact was t I sparring them as?

What level of contact did you Spar them.

 

[RTKDCMB]

What level of contact did you Spar them.

Since it was in my own school it was non-contact sparring.

 

[moonhill99]

What is better for self-defense, Wing Chun or MMA? Please no comments about how one martial is not better than another. Thanks.

I don't think you can join MMA gym or boxing gym just for self-defense or to learn how to be good fighter!! When you join MMA gym or boxing gym in 6 months to year they will want to put your in amateur fighting match. Their main money making is base on fights.

From what I hear about wing chun is it takes really long time to get good at it. Where in two or three years of saying taking MMA or boxing you be really good to fight most 90% people on the streets. Where to be really good with wing chun you be looking at closer to 8 years.

Boxing is not better than wing chun it just that boxing you can be really good at it in like half of the time. Where wing chun takes a really long time to get good at it.

 

[Kenpoguy123]

What is better for self-defense, Wing Chun or MMA? Please no comments about how one martial is not better than another. Thanks.

The fact you say you don't want no comments about how one isn't better shows you have no understanding of martial arts. A wing chun guy can beat an mma guy and an mma guy can beat a wing chun guy

 

[Steve]

I don't think you can join MMA gym or boxing gym just for self-defense or to learn how to be good fighter!! When you join MMA gym or boxing gym in 6 months to year they will want to put your in amateur fighting match. Their main money making is base on fights.

From what I hear about wing chun is it takes really long time to get good at it. Where in two or three years of saying taking MMA or boxing you be really good to fight most 90% people on the streets. Where to be really good with wing chun you be looking at closer to 8 years.

Boxing is not better than wing chun it just that boxing you can be really good at it in like half of the time. Where wing chun takes a really long time to get good at it.

This hasn't been my experience. Competition is optional. Whether you compete or not, training with competitors is very valuable.

 

[drop bear]

This hasn't been my experience. Competition is optional. Whether you compete or not, training with competitors is very valuable.

Yeah ditto.

My coach for example takes the kids class.

 

[Tez3]

When you join MMA gym or boxing gym in 6 months to year they will want to put your in amateur fighting match. Their main money making is base on fights.

Nope. We don't want to put you in an amateur fight and we don't make money from fights either. Many people train MMA because they want to, they may go on to fight but I know many who don't. Fight purses ( which amateurs don't get btw) are quite small, the money gyms make is from the classes they put on.

 

[lklawson]

I don't think you can join MMA gym or boxing gym just for self-defense or to learn how to be good fighter!!

Around here you can.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[moonhill99]

Nope. We don't want to put you in an amateur fight and we don't make money from fights either. Many people train MMA because they want to, they may go on to fight but I know many who don't. Fight purses ( which amateurs don't get btw) are quite small, the money gyms make is from the classes they put on.

Some people may want to fight but don't like the public viewing and the public trash talking about your.

But than some people there may make fun of you that you are too scared and too weak to fight.

 

[Tez3]

Some people may want to fight but don't like the public viewing and the public trash talking about your.

But than some people there may make fun of you that you are too scared and too weak to fight.

You are confusing the theatre of the televised professional fights with real life. I've been to hundreds of fight nights, watched thousands of fights, reffed, cornered and judged fights and there is actually a great camaraderie among fighters. The trash talk is for the media to promote certain promotions, in the normal fight nights held every weekend in many countries there is the atmosphere that you will find in any martial arts competitions, there's nerves certainly, there's always a bit of fear usually of letting people and yourself down, there's excitement but after their fight the two fighters often have to be moved away from the side of the cage because they are chatting about their fight and are in the way! The typical conversation is 'wow that was a good move you did on me there' 'thanks this is how I did it' they then go on to re-enact the fight showing each other the moves, how to get out of them etc then they go off, get changed and come back to have a drink with each other. Yes that is typical of fight nights and you must separate the real thing from what the big promotions put on as a show.

 

[drop bear]

Some people may want to fight but don't like the public viewing and the public trash talking about your.

But than some people there may make fun of you that you are too scared and too weak to fight.

That may be the case. But then you would never hear about the fights from that sort of person.

Basically if you hear a guy bbragging he has had 200 fights but none of them were in public because he did not want to brag.

He is probably lying.

 

[Juany118]

One martial art isn't any better IF you adopt the mind set appropriate to the Martial Art in question. In regards to the OP, MMA and Wing Chun are different. MMA takes some time to feel out the opponent in my experience. It's a sport, it's about winning. Now that period may just be seconds, but you still feel out the bad guy/opponent. Whether you to striker mode, take down mode, that is all based on how you felt out the opponent. It is also designed for that caged Octagon.

Wing Chun, for it to really work as intended, you just need to, out of the gate go for it. Flood that SOB. If he is bigger and stronger don't just charge straight him, zone left or right but be relentless. You aren't thinking about winning you are thinking about destroying, ending the fight as quickly and with as much finality as possible. If your opponent launches the first attack, you still do the above, but your direction will be dictated by his initial attack. You flow and adapt to him, kinda like a wave flowing and adapting to rocks along a coast line.

Neither is better IF you apply the proper mindset.

 

[lklawson]

One martial art isn't any better IF you adopt the mind set appropriate to the Martial Art in question.

That kinda depends on your goals.

In regards to the OP, MMA and Wing Chun are different.

Um... What? The whole point of MMA was to try to answer the question of "which martial art is better." (that's how it was billed, anyway)

Whether you to striker mode, take down mode, that is all based on how you felt out the opponent. It is also designed for that caged Octagon.

No it isn't. In MMA, Striking vs Grappling or GNP (Ground and Pound) vs SNB (Sprawl and Brawl) are simply strategies used to beat the opponent and may be applied broadly or switched multiple times during a fight. There's also lots of anecdotal evidence that these same strategies apply equally well in "street fights."

Neither is better IF you apply the proper mindset.

Mindset is important for winning a fight, or at least for persevering. But mindset can't always overcome poor training, poor strategies, or ineffective technique.

The will to live, to persevere, to survive can carry a person through a lot. But it only goes so far. It won't carry one through a severed aorta, a bullet in the heart, KTFO, choked to unconsciousness, or just beaten down by overwhelming strength or numbers..

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[Juany118]

That kinda depends on your goals.

Um... What? The whole point of MMA was to try to answer the question of "which martial art is better." (that's how it was billed, anyway)

No it isn't. In MMA, Striking vs Grappling or GNP (Ground and Pound) vs SNB (Sprawl and Brawl) are simply strategies used to beat the opponent and may be applied broadly or switched multiple times during a fight. There's also lots of anecdotal evidence that these same strategies apply equally well in "street fights."

Mindset is important for winning a fight, or at least for persevering. But mindset can't always overcome poor training, poor strategies, or ineffective technique.

The will to live, to persevere, to survive can carry a person through a lot. But it only goes so far. It won't carry one through a severed aorta, a bullet in the heart, KTFO, choked to unconsciousness, or just beaten down by overwhelming strength or numbers..

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

On your first point I was simply answering to the OP. The noted MMA. It does not have a deeper philosophy you can delve into, it is about beating the enemy. So since the Op asked about MMA in comparison that statement was born... I essence "he wants to know what art kicks more ***".

To the next every Martial Art and fighting system (I had a KM instructor say "I don't teach a martial art, it's a fighting system) has said their's is the best since the dawn of Martial Arts. None have proven that to date. There is no "special sauce" in an art, it is what art is special to you. (Fits you, draws your passion etc.)

Next absolute agreement. My point was to say that mindset is but the core, if you see Martial Arts as actual fighting arts. You need to build on that with skill, training, experience. But without the right mindset training can get crushed in the rush of panic.

 

[lklawson]

On your first point I was simply answering to the OP. The noted MMA. It does not have a deeper philosophy you can delve into, it is about beating the enemy.

Which is 4/5ths of the rest of the martial arts in the world, to be honest.

Next absolute agreement. My point was to say that mindset is but the core, if you see Martial Arts as actual fighting arts. You need to build on that with skill, training, experience.

Fair enough.

But without the right mindset training can get crushed in the rush of panic.

That's the point of training. Even without "the right mindset" training takes over. Humans drop back to what I call "robo-droid." Robo-droid will repetitively do whatever it is he's been programmed to do. Programming robo-droid isn't hard but it takes lots of time and repetitions. If robo-droid isn't properly programmed he may sit there in an infinite loop trying to get a handle on whatever is going on around him, always a few tics behind (OODA theory). A lot of modern training theory is to take advantage of base human instincts and to help use "anger" or "survival instinct" to program robo-droid. This is particularly true of most modern military training.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[drop bear]

On your first point I was simply answering to the OP. The noted MMA. It does not have a deeper philosophy you can delve into, it is about beating the enemy. So since the Op asked about MMA in comparison that statement was born... I essence "he wants to know what art kicks more ***".

Beating the enemy is a deeper philosophy. Because it requires you to constantly beat yourself.

 

[Juany118]

Beating the enemy is a deeper philosophy. Because it requires you to constantly beat yourself.

Okay, let me rephrase, you got me . It has a singular purpose, it was designed to step into a octagon and defeat that opponent there. Is it effective on the street as well? Yes, but thus fafarost of the modern MMA v X art have used MMA rules and today many of the moves of these other arts that could be effective are hindered by the cage and rules of the match. So, imo, without real evidence we have to apply the same rule to MMA v X that we would Wing Chun v X or Karate v X, namely it's the artist not the art.

You can't even use the Gracie's as an example. When they basically started MMA they invited their opponents and since part of their point was to sell BJJ they invited dang good fighters of other arts but not the best either.

 

[drop bear]

Okay, let me rephrase, you got me . It has a singular purpose, it was designed to step into a octagon and defeat that opponent there. Is it effective on the street as well? Yes, but thus fafarost of the modern MMA v X art have used MMA rules and today many of the moves of these other arts that could be effective are hindered by the cage and rules of the match. So, imo, without real evidence we have to apply the same rule to MMA v X that we would Wing Chun v X or Karate v X, namely it's the artist not the art.

You can't even use the Gracie's as an example. When they basically started MMA they invited their opponents and since part of their point was to sell BJJ they invited dang good fighters of other arts but not the best either.

So the successful mmaers at the moment train the systems they do by coincidence?

Because it is the artist not the art.

Rather than the system contributing to their success.

And downward elbows would completely change the game.

 

[Juany118]

So the successful mmaers at the moment train the systems they do by coincidence?

Because it is the artist not the art.

Rather than the system contributing to their success.

And downward elbows would completely change the game.

No what I am saying is MMA competitors are training in MMA because it is optimized for that specific environment. A Wing Chun guy, in the octagon, tied to the rules of an MMA fight, would be at a disadvantage to be sure. I simply believe the jury is still out when it comes to MMA v whatever, outside of the octagon and with the rules removed in a real hostile encounter where there are no gloves, no target is out of bounds etc.

I won't lie, I could be the best Wing Chun guy on the planet, but if all I knew was Wing Chun I would be VERY hesitant to put on gloves and step into that octagon, that said running into an MMA guy on the street I wouldn't have that same hesitancy because I would have access to a lot of maneuvers I could not use under the MMA rules. Being able to go for the eye, groin, throat, small joint manipulation, the back of the head etc opens up a lot of avenues to balance the scales and make this, imo, a matter of on the street, not in the octagon, there is not enough data to overturn the old rule of its the fighter, not the art. /Shrug