Well welcome to MT. Are you always so abrasive? In my opinion both fighters demonstrated little skill on their feet and even less when they hit the deck. I have no idea what you are talking about when you are writing about all human beings being the same and perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you mean by testing a theory.
Very true so never stop expanding your knowledge nor your art
Thanks for the welcoming and no I'm actually quite humble and friendly and when I say human beings it's only meant for the category of the karate and wing chun man, excuse my miss interpretation, idk much about karate but my wing chun is different just like everyone's else's wing chun.I wouldn't brag but nor would I lie and say I'm not good I wouldn't recommend attacking my legs unless you wanted a broken back and rib cage or a broken nose but wrestling is also a fun exercise. Also by testing a theory I would love the chance for a friendly spar, but your quite far I'm guessing and not to say the least "talk is cheap"
Cool! I suppose you could say I don't know a lot about WC. I'm not a fan of that type of sparring at any time. If I had to judge I would say the WC guy maintained his structure better than karate guy. I had an ex chunner as a student last year and I found his 'forward pressure' interesting. He had problems because as karateka we prefer to be off the centreline. But the truth is that neither system is designed for that type of fighting and neither system is designed to fight another trained person. I still maintain that when they hit the ground neither inspired me with their skill.
For goodness sake! What are you doing agreeing with me? You'll damage my reputation if you're not careful! <dummy spit>
Most interesting, thanks for enlightening me with that perspective, we'd make great mates and would have great matches
Although your quote is somewhat true, what you say is commonly repeated as fact, at this point it's a cliche martial arts saying. There are strong individual and weak individuals (I'm talking in terms of skill/ability not specifically the ability to lift heavy things) in every system, so in that respect you are correct. But, you should look at a system in its entirety. In a sense of the average ability of students some arts are better equipped for a real fight than others. Look at TKD and boxing, both schools will have good and bad students but I'd bet money that the average student at the boxing school will be better equipped for a real fight than the average tKD student. If I were to recommend a style to a guy who wants to learn to fight I'd pick one where the average students have a good level of competence for fighting. All most people can expect it to at least be average at an art, aim high though. If most guys in a system can fight its a good one, if most guys in a system can't fight than I'd recommend something else. Keeping in mind that in some arts fighting ability is not the primary goal. My point,? It's the fighter not the art is true but is a tired cliche that's get repeated all to often with little thought put into what that really says.
^ my thoughts exactly.
However not exclusive to grappling. If a ground grappler were to attempt to takedown a boxer and the boxer were to use an evasive footwork action trained for evading another boxer simply getting out of range and preventing the takedown the boxer is now grappling? Having a hard time accepting your premise It's as saying a TKD fighter throws a roundhouse kick contacting with the shin the fighter is doing muay thai.
Why?
Judged how? Ive never seen a list of real self defense situations broken down by style
So whats it really say?
I suppose you have a reasonable point if you are talking MMA, but if we are supposed to be looking at WC and Karate matchup --two arts that focus on stand-up striking-- your comments don't make a lot of sense. Neither art typically seeks submition opportunities. For that reason in bouts like this the participants should probably break withing a few seconds after going to the ground. That would avoid the unskilled scrambling.
This I am in full agreement with.
Certainly you can say he threw a Thai kick however if it were a TKD roundhouse kick that contacted with the shin you would be incorrect in your statement. Just as your stating "evasive footwork is a grappling term" suggests that if a person used footwork to prevent a takedown it was grappling. Not all evasive footwork is grappling nor all roundhouse kicks that contact with the shin are thai kicks.
Look at the basic striking ability of an average boxer compared to your local average local tkd guy. I think you'll find that generally the boxers are in better shape and more skilled at applying their art against a resisting opponent. I'm talking your average guy, there are outliers in tkd that will be able to defeat a boxer and vise versa but generally I don't believe this is the case.
I disagree with all of this but we are moving too far away from the topic which is frowned upon in this establishment
I didn't notice that until you posted that.So according to the thread title its a wing chun guy vs karake. I'll have to look up karake
