Why the opening action??

No it looks stupid to comment about things you no nothing about. You don't know LFJ's track record here and how he has behaved in the past. That is, unless you do and you are simply back to troll us all again with another fake identity!

WTF are u talking about man?? o_O

I got wrong thread before. Both you guys, why the opening action?? Give some answer!
 
Maybe not in the WC you were taught.

Cross arms down then up, separate and bring back.

The cross is on centerline, training the body to feel where it is. One application is if someone grabs the wrists low. Cross and bring it up to break the grip.

I was taught something similar. At a very basic level crossing the arms teaches the beginner to define the centerline. This was done because mirrors were not typically available. Pulling the hands back to the sides is really just to set you up for the next section. You can interpret that as starting to teach the lop sau motion as well, and after you have learned the closing section it can be seen as a wrist grab escape in concert with the Teut sau motion.

Now I am sure that LFJ would laugh at this since his VT is so extra special and different from everyone else's! :rolleyes:
 
I was taught something similar. At a very basic level crossing the arms teaches the beginner to define the centerline. This was done because mirrors were not typically available. Pulling the hands back to the sides is really just to set you up for the next section. You can interpret that as starting to teach the lop sau motion as well, and after you have learned the closing section it can be seen as a wrist grab escape in concert with the Teut sau motion.

Now I am sure that LFJ would laugh at this since his VT is so extra special and different from everyone else's! :rolleyes:
LOL at this t_ray guy. Obviously he was there when we both were learning Wing Chun, that he should be able to disagree that we were taught a certain thing.

Some people on this board are downright hilarious in their passive aggressiveness.
 
I'm not sure about this dude. It is great you have video showing you're wing chun boxing and I learn a lot! But I also learn a lot about different way from reading described by LFJ.

Why do anyone need lose credibility not posting video?

So you guys disagree about best way for wing chun. Big deal, who cares? Looks stupid too keep argue about it!!

His point, I believe is this...

Some people 'round these parts demand to see videos justifying almost every description of other's lineages.

On occasion they will produce videos themselves BUT they produce their own videos on demand with far less frequency, even when requested.
 
His point, I believe is this...

Some people 'round these parts demand to see videos justifying almost every description of other's lineages.

On occasion they will produce videos themselves BUT they produce their own videos on demand with far less frequency, even when requested.

Yeah. Try like never in LFJ's case! He never has and never will. But he is unwilling to open himself to the same kind of criticism he so freely aims at others!
 
No, the arms don't cross. It's like a lapel grab and pull back /sink to stance. Once in stance it's the cross arms down/up to attain center.(although there are also a few practical applications for this besides getting center too)

The part where you cross the arms low, high and then draw the fists back, though I doubt it was included in the form for that purpose, in my lineage has a very strong resemblance to the arm movements in the basic jiu jitsu cross collar choke from guard. I teach a fair number of my instructor's wing chun students jiu jitsu, and I always refer them to that part of the form as a reference for the cross collar choke. It works.
 
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Yeah. Try like never in LFJ's case! He never has and never will. But he is unwilling to open himself to the same kind of criticism he so freely aims at others!

I have never demanded video from anyone.

Just about no one on this forum has posted videos of themselves.

And, I open myself to criticism from people who know what they're talking about.

If you think the opening action tells you where your center is, or breaks wrist grabs, then you only know hair and skin.

What could you possibly tell anyone about VT?
 
The main reason people don't post videos here is that they open themselves up to criticism and flamage. Mostly undeserved. Who needs that?

No one needs that! But he who is willing to dish it out should also be willing to take it! And LFJ is obviously unwilling to take what he is willing to dish out! ;)
 
ive only started WC not long ago but i always thought the opening action WAS to find the centre line?
if its something else hidden or not well known in really curious about what else could it be!!!
 
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I have never demanded video from anyone.

Just about no one on this forum has posted videos of themselves.

And, I open myself to criticism from people who know what they're talking about.

If you think the opening action tells you where your center is, or breaks wrist grabs, then you only know hair and skin.

What could you possibly tell anyone about VT?


So enlighten us all Master! What does it represent in your uber special advanced VT?

And, BTW I did state that what I was saying was basic. Yet you and you "yes man" disagreed. Funny thing is that Joy disagreed as well, and I'm pretty sure I first learned this from him nearly 30 years ago when I was initially working on SNT. So I sense a strong bias here from more than one person. I expect at this point it wouldn't matter what I write. You guys will find a way to disagree with it! And IMHO, to just disagree with someone without explaining why you disagree and providing your alternate explanation is pretty low,unfriendly", and not at all in the spirit of a Discussion forum.
 
ive only started WC not long ago but i always thought the opening action WAS to find the centre line?
if its something else hidden or not well known in really curious about what else could it be!!!

It is, but it also has application. One such is to break the grip on your wrists, another (as mentioned by anerlich) is a collar choke. A third would be a low arm trap/block.
 
Strange? I just noticed that the "dislike" on my post was from a new account for "vajramusti5". Joy's original account still exists. So was that you Joy? Or is someone trying to impersonate you?
 
It is, but it also has application. One such is to break the grip on your wrists, another (as mentioned by anerlich) is a collar choke. A third would be a low arm trap/block.
thanks, i can see the application of the other two but need to actually see if i can do a collar choke in that position. im thinking more of a flying v into someones neck like a wrestling move LOL
 
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