heretic888
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Why is there the war on terror?
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bushidomartialarts
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can it still be a conspiracy if it's public knowledge?
sounds like it's both.
sounds like it's both.
heretic888
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*shrug*
You're free to call it whatever you wish.
However, the facts are that many signatories within the PNAC are now senior officials within the Bush Administration, that they called for the military occupation of Iraq as early as 1997, and have called for the establishment of a "Pax Americana" via increased military spending and expansion months before the 2000 presidential election.
Those are the facts and, as someone else has previously said, they aren't neutral.
Laterz.
A conspiracy is defined as two or more people planning to do something illegal. The entire Bush Administration as been involved in conspiracies from the get go.
There is no War on Terror.
There is only a war for "Pax Americana."
And a war against OUR freedom.
There is no War on Terror.
There is only a war for "Pax Americana."
And a war against OUR freedom.
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The simple answer to the question posed in the title of this thread is this.
Sure, Colin Powell's astronomical efforts to free the crew of the E-5 from China were diplomatic in their entirety, but those were an abboration. And the rest of the administration resented him for being successful.
When 911 happened, all of the former Secretaries of Defense and Undersecretaries of Defense, and Defense Policy Board alums reached for the only tool they knew how to operate. As a wonderful irony, even the Secretary of State - the chief diplomat for our country - was retired military - his whole life learning combat.
A wonderful thought experiment might be to imagine a Bush administration staffed with Bishop Tutu, George Mitchell, Richard Holbrooke or similar diplomats, on September 10, 2001.
When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail.
When George W. Bush became president, he staffed his administration with veterans from the cold war and military. George W. Bush became president without ever having left the North American continent, and was notably and remarkably incurious about other parts of the world. George W. Bush put in place policies to reduce diplomatic efforts around the world, feeling that 'Nation Building' was a task in which the country should not engage.
Sure, Colin Powell's astronomical efforts to free the crew of the E-5 from China were diplomatic in their entirety, but those were an abboration. And the rest of the administration resented him for being successful.
When 911 happened, all of the former Secretaries of Defense and Undersecretaries of Defense, and Defense Policy Board alums reached for the only tool they knew how to operate. As a wonderful irony, even the Secretary of State - the chief diplomat for our country - was retired military - his whole life learning combat.
A wonderful thought experiment might be to imagine a Bush administration staffed with Bishop Tutu, George Mitchell, Richard Holbrooke or similar diplomats, on September 10, 2001.
If you bother to read some of the news out of the middle east or places like WWW.Memri.org you can see that a lot of what he predicted already seems to be coming to pass. People talk about this war being more about perceptions than military might. Well, a lot of people in that part of the world are looking at things going on right now in the election and wondering if they should try to fight the Islamic facists or knuckle under and support them.
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People can conspire all they want to. Even if Bush did, he couldn't have taken any related action to it, unless he had a legitimate reason to do so, or pull it off. An outright attack on our soil by THEM caused his reactions.
No matter your politics of this, or the president, the problem exists, and left unchecked, will rear it's head again. We did pander and cater to those areas for many years, and all they did, was, take one shot after another. At least those that are trained to fight this are, instead of it coming against our citizens. The problem won't go away, because we pull out and leave, or politically cater to them. Don't blame the president and his policies, when it was thier actions that caused them.
No matter your politics of this, or the president, the problem exists, and left unchecked, will rear it's head again. We did pander and cater to those areas for many years, and all they did, was, take one shot after another. At least those that are trained to fight this are, instead of it coming against our citizens. The problem won't go away, because we pull out and leave, or politically cater to them. Don't blame the president and his policies, when it was thier actions that caused them.
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I'm wondering if you heard about the nationalities of the terrorists.
First Osama bin Laden.
Second Ayman Al Zawahiri
Third, 15 of the 19 September 11, 2001 hijackers
Would you say our policy concerning the nationalities of these people has changed since the 'War on Terror' began? Or are we still pandering to them?
Really, it seems like we aimed our 'hammer' at the wrong nail.
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The problem is that the "THEM" that attacked us (I presume you are referring to 9/11) had nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein.
Well, not before our invasion, anyway. Howard Dean had it right in 2004. There was no real Al Queda presence in Iraq prior to our occupation of that country, but they're sure as hell there now. Our military actions have emboldened the terrorists and expanded their power and influence, not weakened them.
In any event, I personally don't believe George W. Bush was behind any of this. In my opinion, he is just an insipid puppet for the PNAC. The real president of the United States of America is Richard Cheney. That's also one of the reasons that Donald Rumsfeld hasn't been fired yet, either, even though there are widespread sentiments by both military and ex-military personnel that he is incompetent. Rumsfeld, like Cheney, is one of the signatories of the PNAC.
That being said, you are right about one thing. The Bush Administration did use 9/11 as an opportunity to initialize their "Pax Americana" agenda. Unlike others, I am not willing to go as far to say that they orchestrated 9/11, but it is glaringly obvious they used that tragedy as an excuse to begin their campaign of military imperialism.
May your choices be good ones this afternoon.
Just aquestion for everyone on this subject. If the Muslims are not all like this , then why have they not "rooted out the problem" themselves? I am not being negative here, but it does beg the question. If your faith is under attack would you not want to get rid of the attackers, even if they were within? Help me out with this one.
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Why haven't the Catholics 'rooted out the Protestants'?
Why haven't the Protestants 'rooted out the Evangelicals'?
Why haven't the Evangelicals 'rooted out the Baptists'?
Do not complain about the splinter in my eye . . . .
or something like that.
Maybe the Muslems are just being good Christians.
On the part of the right, of course.
Sean
What makes you think we can waltz in, erase nation states, Kill hundreds of thousands of people, and expect that to stop the average kid from making his mark against us? You are living in the bubble; its about to pop.
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Jesus Camp
Now, I've always been of the opinion that one should clean up their own yard before they point fingers at the neighbors. *shrug* YMMV.
Exactly when do we win? After we have killed the whole religion?
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