kingkong89
Green Belt
When one becomes a bb they teach because that is thier way of learning.they learn by teaching others,they learn how to teach the other students so in a way they are still a student of sorts
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This is a very valid point that I tried to allude to earlier.I don't require my dan students to teach. Why not? Well, frankly there's an art and science to teaching too, and I don't pretend to be able to pass it along to my students.
I also don't believe in short-changing my other students by asking them to be patient with an apprentice teacher. They come to my dojo to train with me. And they do. When I am no longer able to teach, I will close my school.
That would depend on if it is "instructor training" or not. I can see how some schools could misuse this type of training. But the bottom line is it is still training and as long as they are students in training (which they pay for) and not employees of the school. They are there for their education.
When I was a lower level apprentice instructor and the other instructors could not make it in, my brother-in-law (who was my instructor at that time) put me in front to teach his class and I made a lot of mistakes. Thats how we learn what it takes to teach.
But you wer probably referring to the mis-uses.
I'm always curious about this. And although I know the reasons for some who require their BB's to teach as a stipulation for their certificate, I always come back to the same question, and that is, WTF? And to take it a step further, some require their students to teach for free. Again, WTF?
Upon earning our high school diploma and our college degree, we're not required to teach. Those that become teachers, are usually studying for that profession. Why is Martial Arts different?
Maybe I'm missing something. That's why I would like to throw the question out, and see what comes back. I'm hoping someone could give me a reason to change my opinion of this practice.
This is not meant to offend anyone who doe's require their students to teach, but for me to have a better understanding.
Would you allow an excellent student, with a great attitude, to continue training under you if he wasn't interested in teaching?
I don't require my dan students to teach. Why not? Well, frankly there's an art and science to teaching too, and I don't pretend to be able to pass it along to my students.
I also don't believe in short-changing my other students by asking them to be patient with an apprentice teacher. They come to my dojo to train with me. And they do. When I am no longer able to teach, I will close my school.
I don't think that black belts should be required to teach. I was asked to teach by instructors I greatly respected and liked. So I was happy to do so. I was also not paying for tuition at that point. So I could come and go as I pleased, taking any class I wanted, for free. So that doesn't seem like an unfair deal to me.
That's my personal situation though. I understand it doesn't work that way everywhere.
The idea that teaching is required because it enhances a student's understanding of their art seems slightly flawed to me. Because it overlooks the fundamental fact that time NOT spent teaching could be time spent training. And the unassailable fact that training also improves your understanding of your art.
I think you could even go so far as to say that teaching is something of a sacrifice in terms of your own training. My conceptual understanding of it increased when I started teaching. Finding ways to convey understanding to other people forced me to crystallize my own understanding first. And that's a valuable exercise. At the same time, when you're teaching, you're often not training. And if you've only got finite time, then one is going to take place at the expense of the other.
It's also an unassailable fact that practicing teaching will make you a better teacher. And since most black belts I know had a clear interest in teaching, then getting experience as a teacher only made sense. I'm of the mind that you're going to be a bad teacher before you're a good one. And doing so when you've got the backup of a good teacher is a good place to start.
Basically, it comes down to your conceptualization of what the black belt (or whatever measure you choose) means. Does it denote proficiency in performance? If so, then each rank beyond that would suggest heightened performance. And that would likely require more training than teaching. But if the black belt denotes a level ownership of and responsibility for the future of the art, then teaching is probably a big part of that.
I think this is going to vary from school to school. One thing I would say, though, is that the priorities of the school are going to affect the perception of the black belt. If your school has some strong competitive format, for instance, some arena in which performance can be evaluated, then teaching may not be such a focus. For instance, a BJJ school may have more vested interest in seeing their black belt further his fight record than in getting free teaching out of him.
Take another school, one that doesn't focus on a format like that, and there are fewer analogous ways to assess proficiency. So the ability to teach and convey technique may be focused on more heavily.
Either way, I wouldn't insist that a black belt teach. If he wants my endorsement as a teacher, then I would. But if he simply wants to train, compete, whatever, then his understanding of his art is going to benefit just as much from the doing as it would from the explaining. Maybe more.
Stuart
I don't think that black belts should be required to teach. I was asked to teach by instructors I greatly respected and liked. So I was happy to do so. I was also not paying for tuition at that point. So I could come and go as I pleased, taking any class I wanted, for free. So that doesn't seem like an unfair deal to me.
That's my personal situation though. I understand it doesn't work that way everywhere.
The idea that teaching is required because it enhances a student's understanding of their art seems slightly flawed to me. Because it overlooks the fundamental fact that time NOT spent teaching could be time spent training. And the unassailable fact that training also improves your understanding of your art.
I think you could even go so far as to say that teaching is something of a sacrifice in terms of your own training. My conceptual understanding of it increased when I started teaching. Finding ways to convey understanding to other people forced me to crystallize my own understanding first. And that's a valuable exercise. At the same time, when you're teaching, you're often not training. And if you've only got finite time, then one is going to take place at the expense of the other.
It's also an unassailable fact that practicing teaching will make you a better teacher. And since most black belts I know had a clear interest in teaching, then getting experience as a teacher only made sense. I'm of the mind that you're going to be a bad teacher before you're a good one. And doing so when you've got the backup of a good teacher is a good place to start.
Basically, it comes down to your conceptualization of what the black belt (or whatever measure you choose) means. Does it denote proficiency in performance? If so, then each rank beyond that would suggest heightened performance. And that would likely require more training than teaching. But if the black belt denotes a level ownership of and responsibility for the future of the art, then teaching is probably a big part of that.
I think this is going to vary from school to school. One thing I would say, though, is that the priorities of the school are going to affect the perception of the black belt. If your school has some strong competitive format, for instance, some arena in which performance can be evaluated, then teaching may not be such a focus. For instance, a BJJ school may have more vested interest in seeing their black belt further his fight record than in getting free teaching out of him.
Take another school, one that doesn't focus on a format like that, and there are fewer analogous ways to assess proficiency. So the ability to teach and convey technique may be focused on more heavily.
Either way, I wouldn't insist that a black belt teach. If he wants my endorsement as a teacher, then I would. But if he simply wants to train, compete, whatever, then his understanding of his art is going to benefit just as much from the doing as it would from the explaining. Maybe more.
Stuart
I think your view weighs heavily on the statement "At the same time, when you're teaching, you're often not training. And if you've only got finite time, then one is going to take place at the expense of the other."
If a school only has one class a day, then I see your point. But if you looked at your instructor training (which should start before BB) as assisting with classes that are not your own. It's actually much harder to assist for 1 or 2 classes and then train in your own class.
At one point in my brother-in-laws school, I assisted for 1 or 2 classes and trained my classes which were separate: Karate and Judo/Jujutsu and Kobudo.
When Aikido and Kumiuchi (which is full contact kickboxing annd Judo) were integrated in as the school grew, the schedule got divided into alternating days with Karate achoring 1 day and Judo anchoring the other day.
But either way, even after the classes got divided up into 2 days, you can see that one could easily do 3 or 4 classes in a day.
It's a part of the learning process. But there was an option to train as a fighter where the standards were differant and teaching was not required. But teaching certificates were also separate.
How do you justify everyone doing a certain drill that is quite core in your art if some people don't have any interest in that drill, if they don't want to do that drill? Think of instructing as another drill, one that may or may not be crucial to your art.quote]
I'm sorry, but I don't think of teaching as just another drill. Teaching is an important responsibility, and a job. If a student is not interested in doing the drills, then I have to wonder why he's enrolled in the class in the first place. I think that is quite a bit different than a student that is not interested in teaching.
I don't require my dan students to teach. Why not? Well, frankly there's an art and science to teaching too, and I don't pretend to be able to pass it along to my students.
I also don't believe in short-changing my other students by asking them to be patient with an apprentice teacher. They come to my dojo to train with me. And they do. When I am no longer able to teach, I will close my school.
IMHO...if one can not adequately demonstrate and communicate an understanding of the material; concepts, principles, applications, etc then they have no business strapping on a black belt.
Requiring "black belts to teach" is the simplest way of gauging this for an instructor.
If one only wants to mimic motion without understanding, to "bang" when given the opportunity...then they can remain a brown belt... No shame in that. However, if they desire the coveted black belt they need to demonstrate a greater understanding....IMHO.
That's why... If you do not agree then so be it... I have no control or influence over you, your organization, or system. Do what you like, but I and others have higher standards and expectations of our students and that is evidenced in our requirment that black belts teach.
...not to mention that it's only polite to show gratitude by giving back to something that's given one so much.
When I was a lower level apprentice instructor and the other instructors could not make it in, my brother-in-law (who was my instructor at that time) put me in front to teach his class and I made a lot of mistakes. Thats how we learn what it takes to teach.quote]
With all do respect James, how did your students benefit from this?
So you have never learned from your instructors mistakes?When I was a lower level apprentice instructor and the other instructors could not make it in, my brother-in-law (who was my instructor at that time) put me in front to teach his class and I made a lot of mistakes. Thats how we learn what it takes to teach.quote]
With all do respect James, how did your students benefit from this?
So you have never learned from your instructors mistakes?
My instructor never made a mistake.
as it should be.
I'm sorry, but I don't think of teaching as just another drill. Teaching is an important responsibility, and a job. If a student is not interested in doing the drills, then I have to wonder why he's enrolled in the class in the first place. I think that is quite a bit different than a student that is not interested in teaching.