RTKDCMB
Senior Master
Man, I hope so.Old does not always mean outdated and useless.
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Man, I hope so.Old does not always mean outdated and useless.
well yes, if you want to be '' effective'' change what you do. your training in a very small bubble, sooner or later your bubble will burst and you will see how inferior the '' training you do, do is !
to be honest its the same problem a lot of training that is never proved has, except you've taken it to a whole new level of self delusion because your hitting nothing but thin air (or maybe a punch bag ? even a compliant partner give a level of realism that is escaping you at the moment)
it doesn't matter if its a bat or your fist, if you cant hit your target the technique is useless, people dont usually stand there and let you hit them, particularly if you waving a base ball bat about, as ive explained several times, you get one swing with a BBB against anything like a competent opponent.n then your completely out of position and he ( or she) will take you out
A word of advice: If you are going to fight zombies then don't use a flamethrower, because, not only will the zombies still be after you, they will also be on fire. Your situation would not have improved.
Truth!!A word of advice: If you are going to fight zombies then don't use a flamethrower, because, not only will the zombies still be after you, they will also be on fire. Your situation would not have improved.
It may not actually be the basics of using the weapon. It is simply what you have intuitively figured out on your own, and may be effective on some level. That does not mean it is accurate basics as far as anyone with real training might see it. And the term “effective” in this context might simply mean “hazardous to those in your vicinity, whether friend or foe.”It is effective in that, its the basics of using said weapon.
It may not actually be the basics of using the weapon. It is simply what you have intuitively figured out on your own, and may be effective on some level. That does not mean it is accurate basics as far as anyone with real training might see it. And the term “effective” in this context might simply mean “hazardous to those in your vicinity, whether friend or foe.”
Old does not always mean outdated and useless.
Some elboration needed. I support your inututive statement. But the other point/statement/view i have is: If you get a book written by somone who say does sword fighting, and use that to teach yourself other than whats instictive to you, you will have a better time. And then the content of the book would matter, but sake of argument it is a good book that covers the basics quite well. Or some other form of media made by somone who knows it. that should help bridge the gap a bit.
And i agree about the spearman statement. I think it would take about a week to get a large amount of people drilled suffciently to at least function in a a battlefield. definately faster than many other types of weapon. Its still note worthy how fast people pick up how to use it 1v1 combat though, at least sufficnetly to defend themselves. Especially against swords or other weapons.
Addendum: i use book to mean manual/treatise. It exists to relay martial techniques/cocepts etc to the reader.
some things you can learn from books and vids and somethings you cantSome elboration needed. I support your inututive statement. But the other point/statement/view i have is: If you get a book written by somone who say does sword fighting, and use that to teach yourself other than whats instictive to you, you will have a better time. And then the content of the book would matter, but sake of argument it is a good book that covers the basics quite well. Or some other form of media made by somone who knows it. that should help bridge the gap a bit.
And i agree about the spearman statement. I think it would take about a week to get a large amount of people drilled suffciently to at least function in a a battlefield. definately faster than many other types of weapon. Its still note worthy how fast people pick up how to use it 1v1 combat though, at least sufficnetly to defend themselves. Especially against swords or other weapons.
Addendum: i use book to mean manual/treatise. It exists to relay martial techniques/cocepts etc to the reader.
XD XD XDA word of advice: If you are going to fight zombies then don't use a flamethrower, because, not only will the zombies still be after you, they will also be on fire. Your situation would not have improved.
Yeah that's an interesting point!One of my favorites is when people will look at a school where the instructors are old and say it's a bad school because those old guys couldn't fight anymore. Completely overlook all of the wisdom and experience they bring to the table.
Yeah that's an interesting point!
People often do that to personal trainers too, just because they aren't in the shape we designate they should be in they're useless. Never mind their incredible coaching knowledge and experience.
I do get it to some degree, many say if they were truly "passionate" about it they would still train, but that view can get a little extreme though.
It is effective in that, its the basics of using said weapon. also, i dont belive i have detailed MY training regime in this thread. You have added some uneeded and unwarranted personalisation to that point.
I have also posted video evidence of how easy it is to pick up using a spear/staff like a spear to prove my point on how easy it is and how some weapons are easier to pick up than others.
No idea where you got that from, i have wrote several times to spar and to use drills agaisnt a partner and to use both reactive and static targets. If you dont have access to one, you dont have access to it and cant use it. Not optimal but you use what you have. So am i in a self deulision when you replied to a non point? (if i am wrong, feel free to quote the specfic statement in the quoted post, and apologies for that)
i agree (in part), as i have stated and my replies have done beforehand. But, i have stated to SPAR, this is the 8th time. And to use reactive targets and drills with somone. I have stated these things several times now, again how many times do i have to make the point again, and state i agree in parts but never stated anything contary to it.
I, as i have stated before. Belive you chances to be increased if you pactice with it. thats one of the fundemental points here.
I think its clear by now, statements from personal expereince are meh to me, especially when i have posted some form of video on how easy it is to pick up some weapons and use them. Some of the points in dispute i didnt make, or have eleborated possibly eambigious points into more clearer terms.
I am effectively done here, until something more definitive shows up and frankly, this argument isnt really a arguement anymore. if you do find some form of stat etc for weapon training times, i will resume but until then, no.
sword fighting is a very real and current sport, i have severe doubt that any one who has ever picked up a sword has reach competent level of ability from book reading rather than a high level of expert coaching, if you know different please e4xplainSome elboration needed. I support your inututive statement. But the other point/statement/view i have is: If you get a book written by somone who say does sword fighting, and use that to teach yourself other than whats instictive to you, you will have a better time. And then the content of the book would matter, but sake of argument it is a good book that covers the basics quite well. Or some other form of media made by somone who knows it. that should help bridge the gap a bit.
And i agree about the spearman statement. I think it would take about a week to get a large amount of people drilled suffciently to at least function in a a battlefield. definately faster than many other types of weapon. Its still note worthy how fast people pick up how to use it 1v1 combat though, at least sufficnetly to defend themselves. Especially against swords or other weapons.
Addendum: i use book to mean manual/treatise. It exists to relay martial techniques/cocepts etc to the reader.
traditional medicine has severe limitationsI'm late to the game on this one. I can only say this from my perspective
Martial artists in general enjoy the art of fighting. Which means they have a passion for it beyond the everyday self-defense needs. Preservation of accurate history is one of the highest things you can in your life, be it your family history or in our case combat history. Stuff like this plays an important role in building and maintaining cultures and cultural lessons. It means we don't have to always start over to learn lessons that were already taught. Many of us have passion for fighting systems beyond the fight.
Don't get into the habit of throwing things away simply because "it's no longer used" or because "its not used."
Traditional Medicine
Classic car
Old Comic books
Old money. (Kept in good condition, which is like keeping martial arts techniques accurate in good condition).
There are many things that are old, that a more valuable and than some of the things that are new and used everyday.. New things are important too, but much of it doesn't carry the same weight as things of history.
Me learning how to fight with swords, staffs, double daggers isn't because I think I'm going to be using them in self-defense during my everyday travels. I also don't see it as outdated. It's great for mental and physical development, it helps to bring a better understanding of things in general outside of the world of fighting. And it's stuff that actually works and technically would could still use it today.
Old does not always mean outdated and useless.
So does modern medicine.. I'm not saying that traditional medicine solves everything but some of it works better than some modern medicine. If you look up how some of the modern medicine is developed you will see that they often look at traditional medicine that works. This is what I'm talking referring to.traditional medicine has severe limitations
Classic cars are terrible as means of transport - this may be true but the value in these cars isn't in the transportation but the craftsmanship and the financial value. For example, a 1968 Ford Shelby GT500 Many people had one and got rid of it for a "better car". New cars devalue the moment you drive it off the lot. The 1968 Ford Shelby has increased in value. In 1968, this car sold for around $4,500 U.S dollars. Now this car is worth more than $100,000 and in fair condition it's worth around $82.000. So while my Mazda 3 Skyactive car fully loaded is going to perform better, It's now less the $24,000 price tag of when I bought it new. The fair market value for my car is. now $9,000 -$11,000classic cars are terrible as means of transport,
This is still value even if it's based on rarity. Which I would question because there's old comic books that are rare and not valuable, so I don't think it's a "rarity only" value appraisal.old comic books have rarity, rather then intrinsic value in their favour and nothing else
Old money often becomes more valuable, Sometimes it's the make up of the coin and the rarity that pushes the value. For example, a 1982 Lincoln Cent with no mint date has sold for as much as $80,000 If the purpose of money is to be of value, then this penny exceeded far beyond it's face value.as for old money
I see it more as recognizing value beyond it's intended original use. Or at the least recognizing when one value has changed and another value has begun.you need to ask yourself what your doing, running a museum or having something of use, these two things often conflict
old cars re bad, they were badly engineered and badly designed, that they are worth money now is to do with nostalgia and rarity, car that were made in their many millions dont get any sort of value at all till theres only a few left, then they become desirably, simply because they are exclusive.So does modern medicine.. I'm not saying that traditional medicine solves everything but some of it works better than some modern medicine. If you look up how some of the modern medicine is developed you will see that they often look at traditional medicine that works. This is what I'm talking referring to.
"Historically, medicines were administered in the form of herbal concoctions, and many traditional medicines continue to be taken this way. As science advanced, chemists were able to extract the active ingredients from natural sources to make more potent medicines. For example, aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) was discovered from the willow tree, the bark of which was used in traditional herbal remedies []." Source: Where does medicine come from? - Science in the News
Fort those who don't want to read
We often screw up when we make it "more Potent" and forget to make it "balanced" which is why we have the 15 side-effects that may cause a problem worse than the one that is being treated. Modern medicine focuses on purity and not balance, while helpful it's comes with it's limitations as well.
Here's another mention of modern medicine development.
Don't get me wrong some traditional medicine will kill a person or make a person worse, but I'm not referring to those things.
Classic cars are terrible as means of transport - this may be true but the value in these cars isn't in the transportation but the craftsmanship and the financial value. For example, a 1968 Ford Shelby GT500 Many people had one and got rid of it for a "better car". New cars devalue the moment you drive it off the lot. The 1968 Ford Shelby has increased in value. In 1968, this car sold for around $4,500 U.S dollars. Now this car is worth more than $100,000 and in fair condition it's worth around $82.000. So while my Mazda 3 Skyactive car fully loaded is going to perform better, It's now less the $24,000 price tag of when I bought it new. The fair market value for my car is. now $9,000 -$11,000
This is still value even if it's based on rarity. Which I would question because there's old comic books that are rare and not valuable, so I don't think it's a "rarity only" value appraisal.
Old money often becomes more valuable, Sometimes it's the make up of the coin and the rarity that pushes the value. For example, a 1982 Lincoln Cent with no mint date has sold for as much as $80,000 If the purpose of money is to be of value, then this penny exceeded far beyond it's face value.
I see it more as recognizing value beyond it's intended original use. Or at the least recognizing when one value has changed and another value has begun.
Martial Arts systems value as a self-defense tool is very small when compared to the benefits of having a modern gun on hand. But even so there is still value in the systems. While very few people can actually fight with it, western doctors are now finding value in it for their patients health. Even though it's old and not Modern.
I guess the point I'm making is simply just because it's old doesn't mean it's outdated or useless. While it may be outdated in one area. It may be significantly important in another. I wouldn't bring a spear to a gun fight. But the training of the spear is a great exercise if someone is looking for a good way to learn something that ways actually used in war and stay in shape (provided that they aren't using the fake modern weapons that flap around)
traditional medicine doesn't work better than modern medicine not for anything ever, it may be probably wont be almost as good, because medicines derived from traditional cures have been refined to work betterSo does modern medicine.. I'm not saying that traditional medicine solves everything but some of it works better than some modern medicine. If you look up how some of the modern medicine is developed you will see that they often look at traditional medicine that works. This is what I'm talking referring to.
"Historically, medicines were administered in the form of herbal concoctions, and many traditional medicines continue to be taken this way. As science advanced, chemists were able to extract the active ingredients from natural sources to make more potent medicines. For example, aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) was discovered from the willow tree, the bark of which was used in traditional herbal remedies []." Source: Where does medicine come from? - Science in the News
Fort those who don't want to read
We often screw up when we make it "more Potent" and forget to make it "balanced" which is why we have the 15 side-effects that may cause a problem worse than the one that is being treated. Modern medicine focuses on purity and not balance, while helpful it's comes with it's limitations as well.
Here's another mention of modern medicine development.
Don't get me wrong some traditional medicine will kill a person or make a person worse, but I'm not referring to those things.
Classic cars are terrible as means of transport - this may be true but the value in these cars isn't in the transportation but the craftsmanship and the financial value. For example, a 1968 Ford Shelby GT500 Many people had one and got rid of it for a "better car". New cars devalue the moment you drive it off the lot. The 1968 Ford Shelby has increased in value. In 1968, this car sold for around $4,500 U.S dollars. Now this car is worth more than $100,000 and in fair condition it's worth around $82.000. So while my Mazda 3 Skyactive car fully loaded is going to perform better, It's now less the $24,000 price tag of when I bought it new. The fair market value for my car is. now $9,000 -$11,000
This is still value even if it's based on rarity. Which I would question because there's old comic books that are rare and not valuable, so I don't think it's a "rarity only" value appraisal.
Old money often becomes more valuable, Sometimes it's the make up of the coin and the rarity that pushes the value. For example, a 1982 Lincoln Cent with no mint date has sold for as much as $80,000 If the purpose of money is to be of value, then this penny exceeded far beyond it's face value.
I see it more as recognizing value beyond it's intended original use. Or at the least recognizing when one value has changed and another value has begun.
Martial Arts systems value as a self-defense tool is very small when compared to the benefits of having a modern gun on hand. But even so there is still value in the systems. While very few people can actually fight with it, western doctors are now finding value in it for their patients health. Even though it's old and not Modern.
I guess the point I'm making is simply just because it's old doesn't mean it's outdated or useless. While it may be outdated in one area. It may be significantly important in another. I wouldn't bring a spear to a gun fight. But the training of the spear is a great exercise if someone is looking for a good way to learn something that ways actually used in war and stay in shape (provided that they aren't using the fake modern weapons that flap around)
Who knows. Maybe it work just as well. I've never taken tree bark to relieve a headache. A pill would have a longer shelf life than and you could increase the strength of it by increasing the purity of it. But that doesn't mean the tree bark didn't get rid of the headache in the amounts used in the traditional amount.i'm not even sure it counts as modern medicine, but it was one of the biggest breakthroughs in effective pain relive and fever control, god knows how much tree bark you had to inbide to get the same effect as one small pill. and if you've got a headache going in search of a willow tree is a bit inconvenien
but this is the problem, you dont need medicine for an upset tummy at all, unless its dysentery and then your ginger tea will have no effect on your impending demiseWho knows. Maybe it work just as well. I've never taken tree bark to relieve a headache. A pill would have a longer shelf life than and you could increase the strength of it by increasing the purity of it. But that doesn't mean the tree bark didn't get rid of the headache in the amounts used in the traditional amount.
For example. If I have an upset stomach I eat ginger or make a tea for it. It provides the same relief for my upset stomach and in many cases works better than the Tums and Zantac. For acid reflux, (if I eat too late and then go to sleep), I just drink a glass of milk before going to bed. 2 examples of where I didn't have to Purify or super-dose the serving size of what I was taking to fix my stomach issues.
You know what I don't get from Milk or Ginger? These things which are side effects from Zantac:
At the most I would be at risk for Diarrhea only because I'm lactose intolerant. But since my body is strange, milk only bothers me during certain parts of the day. My stomach doesn't like it in the morning, but can handle it in the evening.
- constipation,
- diarrhea,
- fatigue,
- headache (may be severe),
- drowsiness,
- dizziness,
- sleep problems (insomnia),
- decreased sex drive,
- impotence,
- difficulty having an orgasm,
- muscle pain,
- stomach pain,
- nausea,
- vomiting,
- constipation,
- or swollen or tender breasts (in men)
Below are the benefits of Ginger
Process Ginger how ever does have risk as well. By processed I mean converting it into a powder form so you can increase the concentration of it. I don't use ginger this way, because for me I try to strike a balance whenever possible. Sort of the "too much of a good thing.." logic. These are side effects that you'll get when you eat too much. I would say if you took a big bite out of a ginger root like an apple you would probably experience some of these things.
- Reducing gas and improving digestion
- Relieving nausea
- Easing a cold or the flu
- Relieving pain
- Reducing inflammation
- Supporting cardiovascular health
Does Ginger work for everyone? Of course not, but for me. Ginger is better than many of the modern medicines for my stomach / digestive issues. It also works faster and I can cook with it. I'm pretty sure cooking with Zantac is frowned upon lol.
- increased bleeding tendency
- abdominal discomfort
- cardiac arrhythmias (if overdosed)
- central nervous system depression (if overdosed)
- dermatitis (with topical use)
- diarrhea
- heartburn
- mouth or throat irritation
The only difference is that the Pill is going to cost me 12.35 and is more convenient than carrying ginger root around and my Ginger is free as I grow it. Companies can make more money selling the pill as medicine and they can increase the dose even if there may be no need to.