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Andrew Green said:Having a guide is a big assest, but is the guide showing you the path, or helping you to create one?
Andrew Green said:I'm saying that spoon feeding is exactly what most do, and it doesn't work. It just slows progress down.
If you want students to progress you got to let them find there own way and help them...
hmm... do I have to bring the stop the cloning campaign to this forum...
Not just that, but one of fairness too.Rob Broad said:Ther is a time for spoon feeding, it is with the absolute beginners. but too many people want it that way all the way throuh the belts. Our society has turned too much to an instant gratification society,a nd we want everything right now, and the lack of patience hurts our training more than an instructor who teaches slowly.
kenpo tiger said:Okay. I haven't posted to this thread since the beginning, but I've been reading it. I have a question for all of you now:
Do you single out the questioner, the student who 'wants it all and wants it now'?
kenpo tiger said:Do you make him/her wait longer for her/his belt tests?
kenpo tiger said:Have you explained to them the concept of 'nothing is worth having unless you have worked for it'?
kenpo tiger said:That a black belt isn't there just to hold up your pants - it symbolizes expertise in the art??
kenpo tiger said:Just curious. I'd like to hear what you all think.
No, they single themselves out. Depending on the questions they ask they might move faster or slower then if they just shut up and did what they where told.kenpo tiger said:Okay. I haven't posted to this thread since the beginning, but I've been reading it. I have a question for all of you now:
Do you single out the questioner, the student who 'wants it all and wants it now'?
I don't give belts to adults.Do you make him/her wait longer for her/his belt tests?
Sure, but questioning and wanting everything right now are two different things.Have you explained to them the concept of 'nothing is worth having unless you have worked for it'?
No it doesn'tThat a black belt isn't there just to hold up your pants - it symbolizes expertise in the art??
Rob - totally accurate here. I think that as modern Western society has developed at an alarming rate in the last couple of generations, the work ethic of the average person has decreased significantly. How many people do you all know that put in the amount of effort in their day to day lives as our grandparents did? Or their parents? I believe that the tendency of the newer or more youthful student to desire achievement, as opposed to develop skill, can be a manifestation of youthful ignorance coupled with just being a product of this contemporary mindset.Rob Broad said:Ther is a time for spoon feeding, it is with the absolute beginners. but too many people want it that way all the way throuh the belts. Our society has turned too much to an instant gratification society, and we want everything right now, and the lack of patience hurts our training more than an instructor who teaches slowly.
Paul B said:Andrew,I think we are in agreement,but just coming from different areas. The thing is, you have to know your basics,that is why they are called "basics" they are a starting point for every technique that you can do.
The problem is when people don't have a firm grasp of the basics and want to debate the basics. Why? I think Rob nailed it,we live in an age of "instant gratification",and people want, whatever they want, yesterday! It's no fun if they have to actually "work" for it.
After you know your basics and can apply them in your own way,then I will say.."All right,go have fun!" Until then,please practice and learn them for yourself.
Paul B said:LOL! That's great! Mind if I "steal" that? On a sidenote,most people that try to debate basics,don't have the capacity to make the connection,but it's a good one!