Originally posted by tigerstorm
As has been stated, and if we wish to talk highly of Mr. Ed Parker, maybe we should be careful, what we say about this gentleman. William K.S. Chow received black rank from this man, and if Mitoses is full of crap as we seem to be going that direction, should I be so bold as to say so is all of Kempo/ Kenpo in the U.S. today.
The problem comes in with Chow's relation to Mitose. I'm no
expert on this at all, but there's disagreements all over the net
about their relationship together, and the martial arts training
that Chow received. Was it 100% from Mitose? I've heard a
ton of stories answering both yes and no ... and no proof either
way, just adamant claims. Few doubt Chow's knowledge, nor
Parker's .. but a LOT have disputed Mitose's hand in it.
Originally posted by tigerstorm
Also as I said Hanshi Juchniks physical training came from Grandmaster Mitose while he was gardening at the governors house. Lets remember maximum security prison or not, Mitose was not accused of murdering anyone.
The way I heard, it he claimed responsibility for the murder, and
the charge was accessory to murder. That's an accusation in
my book. YET ... few dispute who did the killing in this scenario,
but few think he was an innocent bystander as well. Few also
dispute that Mistose's main income came from extortion, and the
murder in question happened when one of his students/cronies
was sent to collect money.
Originally posted by tigerstorm
He was also highly thought of for his work with the U.S. government. (Dont try to look it up the records are sealed).
Again with no disrespect but lets not assume the worst in this case. Im not claiming Mitose had godlike power or was the Greates Master in the world Im just saying maybe were assuming the word prison means horrible person.
Tigerstorm
His work with the U.S. government is a new one on me. I've read
LOADS of web pages dedicated to praising or attacking Mitose,
yet I've never stumbled on this one.
You're right prison does not necessarily mean horrible person, but
accessory to murder, and extortion puts them on the honorable
mention list to me!
Originally posted by Chiduce
Ok, I just have 3 questions here! 1. If this claim cannot be proven; then where actually did Kosho Ryu Kempo come from? #2. (The same contoversy rises around the credentials of William K.S. Chow); so where and who did he really learn kenpo from? #3. If these first 2 questions cannot be proven, then would this not bring validity claims to Ed. Parker learning kenpo from Chow? Now i see several facts here; one is that Mitose did in fact live and practice what he called Kosho Ryu Kempo. Second that Chow did live and claim to have learned this Kosho Ryu Kempo from Mitose. Third that Ed. Parker did live and claimed to have learned this Kenpo and Kung Fu mixture from Chow! Fourth, that Bruce Juchnik did in fact Train Thomas Barro Mitose in Kosho Ryu Kempo and Shorei Ryu Kempo Jujitsu. Finally, that Nimr Hassan did in fact train under Mitose in Kosho Ryu Kempo and Koppo. Any thought's here? Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!
I think I've already posted my thoughts in addressing this. But
to reiterate: It's been suggested that Chow's training didn't
only come from Mitose. It's been suggested that a LOT (high
numbers here) of people that have met Mitose were UNimpressed
with his M.A. abilities, yet impressed with Chow's. Ed Parker
did in fact claim to have learned his kenpo from Chow .. he has
stated just as emphatically that he has NO ASSOCIATION with
Mitose as far as training goes.
. Any thoughts on this?:asian:
