jobo
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no you made a typo, .
kuniggety
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That's just basic human physiology... the larger the frame, the stronger you are/your capacity to grow and carry muscle goes up. Look at any scale of strength and see how it goes up the larger a person is. They have weight classes in sports (including lifting) for a very good reason. I don't care how much a 100 lbs woman works out... I will be able to out lift her and throw her across a room and I'm not even a big gym rat.
Steve
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To the OP, don't feel pressured to roll with jerks who want to smash you. Take care of yourself. There is a lbalance you need to find for yourself between pushing yourself and just getting hammered.
I recommend looking for opportunities to roll with upper belts whenever possible, and also look for people who are around your size. Also talk to small dudes and the other women in your school or online for advice and support. The female BJJ community is mighty. And if you stick with it, you will find you're part of a pretty awesome group of amazing people.
Enjoy yourself. Push yourself but remember to enjoy yourself and do what you need to to keep it fun.
Also remember that the jerk white belt who seems to enjoy crushing you will probably quit before he gets his blue belt, so don't be afraid to decline to roll with him.
I recommend looking for opportunities to roll with upper belts whenever possible, and also look for people who are around your size. Also talk to small dudes and the other women in your school or online for advice and support. The female BJJ community is mighty. And if you stick with it, you will find you're part of a pretty awesome group of amazing people.
Enjoy yourself. Push yourself but remember to enjoy yourself and do what you need to to keep it fun.
Also remember that the jerk white belt who seems to enjoy crushing you will probably quit before he gets his blue belt, so don't be afraid to decline to roll with him.
jobo
Grandmaster
well that not true, the larger you are does not mean the,stronger you are or that you have a greater capacity to grow muscle
kuniggety
2nd Black Belt
Okay dude, you know more than every competitive lifting and sporting league in the world.
Anarax
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It's not fair if someone bigger and stronger than you is upping the intensity more than usual just because you are smaller and weaker. I've trained with both men and women in BJJ, I always tried to train the same with both, with belt ranked taken into consideration of course. That way the women get good realistic training. However; it isn't right going extra hard on you just because you're a woman, if that's the case. Especially if they aren't letting go immediately if you tap, that's a really low thing to do. There's a difference in training hard and training foolishly, putting yourself in the situation you described sounds like a serious injury waiting to happen.
I would speak to the instructor about it, tell him that you like to train but inform him of the situation. He should keep a close eye on you rolling with the guys, that way he can interject if he sees the things you've described. If he doesn't do anything about it look for another school/instructor. An instructor should always have the safety and well-being of their students in mind.
Good luck in your training
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Yes. If she is over aggressive she will get manhandled.
Not sure what the issue is.
You may have noticed I don't tend to coddle people.
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jobo
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I'm sure they would disagree with you as well, strong people are often big, but not all big people are strong
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You can't really strength your way out if you are always going to have less strength. Yes strength is good but won't solve this problem.
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If you physically have more mass you will be stronger. That is why there are weight classes.
Steve
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Okay. Let's see how well I do channeling Tez3:
"I don't know what you're going on about, dear boy. I don't coddle people, and I tell it like it is. I don't know what it's like where you live, but here we speak plainly and don't molly coddle. If you earn our respect, it is well deserved, and we have little time for small minded people spewing nonsense. Our squaddies are hard as nails, as are their families, who have all experienced hardship unknown in other parts of the world.
The issue is that foolish people are ignorant and enjoy trolling threads, stirring up trouble and never contribute anything constructive to a thread. And with that, I think I've had just about enough of you.
And by the way, I'm not angry. I'm also not arguing."
Let's see how close I am.
Tez3, if you do see this, I'm teasing you.
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oooh-kay - not sure how this turned into 4 pages of argueing.
To clarify I am not overly aggressive the issue I have is with newer stronger men. Mr almost arm breaker I have noticed in the past is far too hard and just tries to muscle his way into a submission so I have avoided him in the past, but yesterday it was only me and him left and it felt rude to just walk away. I suppose I could say I was taking a break but I decided to give him a chance. He has been doing it for 6 months and doesn't compete but I doubt anyone has told him he goes too hard. I spoke to one of my male friends and they agreed he goes too hard but they just laughed it off.
In my gym there is not really an supervision or assistance for the newbies in bjj, they just turn up, get bashed up and eventually learn something. I suppose the instructor thinks everyone else can manage themselves but another girl also quit doing bjj because she is little and got tired of getting people fling their entire weight at her to try smash her. I thought I had a better chance then her since I'm tall but my limbs are long and easily twisted, lol.
I disagree with the get stronger/better statement. My first few weeks doing bjj some strong kid grabbed my arm in an arm bar and twisted my hand around, tearing my shoulder muscle - I was in a sling for 2 weeks. When I came back and asked him why he did that he said "I think I learnt it in taekwondo or something". If I had been trying to fight off the arm bar it would have been worse - this was when my arm was quite floppy. Though perhaps your statement didn't mean stronger as in being able to fight off submissions harder, but just getting more skilled. Which in that case I have noticed since I've been doing it for a year and a half I can avoid situations like that, but as I said before, my issue is with the bigger, musclier men who use all their force.
I only cross train bjj, but I've basically stopped because of the lack of control some people have, it becomes too much of a scan of the class to see who I should avoid and who is relatively safe. Too much work.
To clarify I am not overly aggressive the issue I have is with newer stronger men. Mr almost arm breaker I have noticed in the past is far too hard and just tries to muscle his way into a submission so I have avoided him in the past, but yesterday it was only me and him left and it felt rude to just walk away. I suppose I could say I was taking a break but I decided to give him a chance. He has been doing it for 6 months and doesn't compete but I doubt anyone has told him he goes too hard. I spoke to one of my male friends and they agreed he goes too hard but they just laughed it off.
In my gym there is not really an supervision or assistance for the newbies in bjj, they just turn up, get bashed up and eventually learn something. I suppose the instructor thinks everyone else can manage themselves but another girl also quit doing bjj because she is little and got tired of getting people fling their entire weight at her to try smash her. I thought I had a better chance then her since I'm tall but my limbs are long and easily twisted, lol.
I disagree with the get stronger/better statement. My first few weeks doing bjj some strong kid grabbed my arm in an arm bar and twisted my hand around, tearing my shoulder muscle - I was in a sling for 2 weeks. When I came back and asked him why he did that he said "I think I learnt it in taekwondo or something". If I had been trying to fight off the arm bar it would have been worse - this was when my arm was quite floppy. Though perhaps your statement didn't mean stronger as in being able to fight off submissions harder, but just getting more skilled. Which in that case I have noticed since I've been doing it for a year and a half I can avoid situations like that, but as I said before, my issue is with the bigger, musclier men who use all their force.
I only cross train bjj, but I've basically stopped because of the lack of control some people have, it becomes too much of a scan of the class to see who I should avoid and who is relatively safe. Too much work.
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My advice then would be to talk to the instructor about this and if nothing changes then just leave. At the end of the day you have a life and job outside of MA and if you are getting constantly injured during training, it could severely affect your life. If I had my arm in a sling for 2 weeks I wouldn't be able to work at all during that time, meaning I wouldn't get paid and probably put me behind on my bills, etc. It's simply not worth it.
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I am not getting constantly injured but on some occassions it is too close for comfort. I think I will just stop doing no gi anyway because my instructor would probably say something like keep training and get stronger.
jobo
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that's only if a good % of you extra mass is made up of muscle. Just being fat doesn't make you stronger
jobo
Grandmaster
, if this problem sis the one the op gave then yes it might.
people who don't train,strengh are general only using about 30%of the,strengh their existing muscles can give.
if that applies to both the male and female then they both have massive scope for improvement, if we say for arguments sake that she only has 75% of his strength, then she can easily double that giving her,150% of an untrained males strengh, so in a few months when an untrained male walks in off the,street, she will be,able to more than match him
and she,still has another 40% of her strengh to access, should she wish to continue to improve, she will never catch up with a male that trains to reach his,full strength potential, but that is a very small % of the population even at bjj gyms
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Martial Talk magic. Sssh.
We have a lot of Type A personalities, some of whom really know what they are talking about. Bear with us please. ;-)
I don't know anything about BJJ or your school. But I simply cannot believe good things can come from a school that turns new students lambs loose among those wolves who have survived, without any training. I wouldn't be inclined to stay there if that is the case.
It's only nonsense if you don't understand it.
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