What is your plan for re-opening?

[jobo]

On a separate, but related topic-- I just had a phone conversation with my old kung-fu brother and training partner who will be returning permanently to my area after moving to Cali about 9 years ago. This is good news for me as I will again have someone locally to train with in the particular branch of Wing Chun I practice. Also, he had a few very loyal personal students who may "return to the fold" now that their old sifu is coming home.

This could revitalize our local group ...except ...How safe will it be for us to start training Wing Chun again, a very close-range art in which there is a lot of person to person physical contact in training?

During our phone conversation, I speculated that our core group could probably train chi-sau and the other contact aspects of the art without excessive risk if we were very careful, checked our temperatures prior to training, wore masks when working close together, and washed our hands and arms (or at least used hand sanitizer) immediately before and after training. Not a perfect solution, but worth considering.

To this, my old training partner responded, "Naw, I don't wear masks. That's the kinda BS I've had to put up with here in California and I'm done with it." Apparently, I'd touched a nerve, so I didn't draw him out further on the subject at that time.

The weird thing is, I've heard similar responses from a couple of other people I train with. And the only thing they seem to have in common is that they all have very conservative political outlooks. My question is why common sense safety measures in training ...stuff that is really comparable to wearing gloves, mouthguards, and cups when sparring... has to be politicized. I never heard anybody in my Escrima class refuse to wear eye protection when doing knife drills with training knives because of their political or religious affiliation!

So what the bloody hell is going on???

well whats going on, is there has been an enormous restriction on personal freedoms

how you view that has a lot to do with your philosophy of life and how much trust you have in the state to make sensible decisions and have your best interests at heart

my sister and myself have viewed this whole thing completely differently, she has followed every lock down rule to the very letter, if its actually logical or not.

even to the point of paying a plumber many hundreds of pounds to fix her hot water, when i would have done it for nothing, because plumbers are allowed under the rules and brothers are not,

there is no logical reason to assume the plumber is less of a likely cause of infection than i am, in fact the opposite is possibly a reasonable conclusion, but rules are rules even if they are stupid rules

even if you accept the rules are rules thing, the enforcement bodies have constantly and repeatedly enforced rules that dont actually exist. whilst ignoring breaches that fall into the to much trouble, lets ignore it category

no matter what your view of the rules are and if they are reasonable the bureaucracy has gone into over drive and restricted more freedoms than allowed by law

its common for government who restrict freedoms to tell you its to protect you, from,,, what ever

personally i dont think its a conspiracy, just ineptitude and trying to look like they are doing something to control a situation that is largely out of their control, however the net result is the same, my freedoms have been removed for no good reason

 

[jobo]

Actually, no. They're both right. Because there is more than one strain of the virus. The one that struck the west coast of the US has been less contagious and had a lower mortality rate. The one that hit the east has been more virulent and more deadly. Multiple strains are also believed to be one cause of the high number of false negatives with the COVID swab tests. We've diagnosed most of our cases not with the swab, but by the elevations in things like ferritin, d-dimer, CRP, lactate dehydrogenase, etc.

until the results have been consistently replicated, it just an assumption that either is correct. or that there are not other strains of the virus that significantly vary from those results, either way its not a fact, it may have had slightly more validity if he had said in america and that studies had indicated rather than the blanket statement he made that it was so

 

[CB Jones]

I just find it interesting how apparently you become immune to the Covid virus if you are protesting.

 

[Flying Crane]

I just find it interesting how apparently you become immune to the Covid virus if you are protesting.

Give it a couple weeks, I expect we will see massive spikes in infection everywhere. I really hope I am wrong.

A brand new reason why now is not the time to disregard distancing and masks, nor to be in a rush to open up.

 

[jobo]

I just find it interesting how apparently you become immune to the Covid virus if you are protesting.

but then you have to ask yourself how much of the protesting is tied to the general discontent of protesters about erosion of basic freedoms and how much is about the specific trigger.

there is clearly an enormous amount of anger , but when someone decided to fire bomb a shopping mall, its hard to pick out what their specific motivations and discontents are

 

[Gerry Seymour]

In that case it was several different data points. For example, one batch of people 80% of those who were positive were asymptomatic, in another batch of people 40% were asymptomatic. Regardless, it's a fact that a large number of people who have the virus are asymptomatic.

Which is only reassuring if it means a small number get sick. In this case, it doesn’t. It just means there are more available carriers to make folks sick.

 

[jobo]

Which is only reassuring if it means a small number get sick. In this case, it doesn’t. It just means there are more available carriers to make folks sick.

or it means that a proportion of the infected have a strain that doesn't make them or anyone else sick or it means that a significant proportion of the population have natural immunity so there are less people who will get sick or or or....
in fact the only thing it doesn't show is there are more available carriers, that remains static at the population of any particular country

 

[Flying Crane]

Which is only reassuring if it means a small number get sick. In this case, it doesn’t. It just means there are more available carriers to make folks sick.

Many of whom do become quite sick and some of whom die. Enough to overwhelm the NYC hospitals, for example.

 

[geezer]

...but then you have to ask yourself how much of the protesting is tied to the general discontent of protesters about erosion of basic freedoms and how much is about the specific trigger. ...there is clearly an enormous amount of anger...

Not doubt there as many reasons to protest (and even to riot) as there are people involved. The lockdown, and even the summer weather are contributing factors. It's getting hot over here. Locally we've had daily high temperatures in the 105°F-110°F (40°C-44°C) range. That contributes to anger. Later in the month when temperatures can approach 120°F (48° C) people stay inside. I've been outside working when it got to 122°F (50°C). Even a pleasantly "dry heat" gets unbearable after a certain point.

Nevertheless, Jobo, for the vast majority of those out there marching, this is not about the government eroding our personal freedoms during the shut-down, it is about fighting perceived systemic racism, and reforming how the police interact with marginalized and minority communities ...especially poor African American communities.

 

[jobo]

Not doubt there as many reasons to protest (and even to riot) as there are people involved. The lockdown, and even the summer weather are contributing factors. It's getting hot over here. Locally we've had daily high temperatures in the 105°F-110°F (40°C-44°C) range. That contributes to anger. Later in the month when temperatures can approach 120°F (48° C) people stay inside. I've been outside working when it got to 122°F (50°C). Even a pleasantly "dry heat" gets unbearable after a certain point.

Nevertheless, Jobo, for the vast majority of those out there marching, this is not about the government eroding our personal freedoms during the shut-down, it is about fighting perceived systemic racism, and reforming how the police interact with marginalized and minority communities ...especially poor African American communities.

and how have you come to the view of what the vast majority are thinking ?

protests tend to attract professional protesters who just turn up at any old protest and riots attract people who like to loots shops and set fire to things
im not saying that they dont care, just that may not be their only or even main motivation for being there. other wise they would be less concerned with getting a new tv and stocking up their fridge

they are having mass protests about it here, what good they think that will do, i dont know, its seems more of an excuse to have a mass gathering and ignore the lock down than anything else

 

[skribs]

Which is only reassuring if it means a small number get sick. In this case, it doesn’t. It just means there are more available carriers to make folks sick.

But how sick will nost of those folks get?

If you're at risk, then you should definitely isolate. If a bunch of those of us in lower risk groups get the virus, then it is just another flu.

 

[CB Jones]

If they can approve permits for 1000s to meet and protest....shouldnt be any problem our small dojo to open back up.

 

[CB Jones]

@skribs

Are y'all back open?

One of our schools is back open ....the other hasn't because its in a public building and they won't allow it..

 

[skribs]

If they can approve permits for 1000s to meet and protest....shouldnt be any problem our small dojo to open back up.

Casinos in my state have already reopened. My Mom said we should just put a slot machine in our dojang.

On a Judo page I'm on, they're complaining in Europe because women of the night can go back to their job before Judo classes can reopen. Im not sure how you maintain 2 meters distance in that profession...

 

[skribs]

@skribs

Are y'all back open?

One of our schools is back open ....the other hasn't because its in a public building and they won't allow it..

No. We're still waiting on my county to ease restrictions. We will probably do Dan testing in person at the end of the month.

We were trying to find ways to do class with restrictions, but we don't think it will work. We would have to have a strict schedule of who can come when, shorten classes to allow time to clean, still stream for those who can't or don't want to come in, and we still can't spar, grapple or hold pads. It seemed rather pointless to reopen until we can properly open.

 

[geezer]

...protests tend to attract professional protesters who just turn up at any old protest and riots attract people who like to loots shops and set fire to things

Hmmmm. I'm not a dedicated protester, and I wouldn't even consider looting, but I've a long history of setting fire to things!

Started when I was five and set the neighbors citrus orchard ablaze, later I blew up pumpkins and mailboxes on Halloween, even set my own hands on fire once. Boy that was nasty. I couldn't find any way to put them out so I eventually dunked them in the toilet bowl. They actually sizzled. Later I channeled my insanity and got interested in art, but while others perfected drawing and painting skills, I took up welding, metal casting, glass-work and ceramics. All pyro-centric art-forms.

 

[jobo]

Hmmmm. I'm not a dedicated protester, and I wouldn't even consider looting, but I've a long history of setting fire to things!

Started when I was five and set the neighbors citrus orchard ablaze, later I blew up pumpkins and mailboxes on Halloween, even set my own hands on fire once. Boy that was nasty. I couldn't find any way to put them out so I eventually dunked them in the toilet bowl. They actually sizzled. Later I channeled my insanity and got interested in art, but while others perfected drawing and painting skills, I took up welding, metal casting, glass-work and ceramics. All pyro-centric art-forms.

i would strip the lead covered cabling out of derelict building and smelt it into ingots in the back garden, home made blast furness and all. i was earning more at 9 with a my scrap metal recovery cottage industry, than some working men. then they redeveloped the area and i had to get a paper round

 

[Headhunter]

@skribs

....the other hasn't because its in a public building and they won't allow it..

At least someone has some common sense

 

[ShortBridge]

I am not reopening and I am in no rush. I am in touch with my students.

By the way, I know what the majority of protestors are protesting because I am listening to them and am not being dismissive of what I hear.

 

[geezer]

i would strip the lead covered cabling out of derelict building and smelt it into ingots in the back garden, home made blast furness and all. i was earning more at 9 with a my scrap metal recovery cottage industry, than some working men. then they redeveloped the area and i had to get a paper round

Clearly, we think alike! My brother and I also melted down scrap lead and poured it into molds to make stuff. Also clearly, all those lead fumes, inhaled at a tender age had an deleterious effect on mental functioning later in life. Cheers mate, --from one one nutty old geezer to another