What is your plan for re-opening?

Well, on the flipside, we have the issues of quarantine. Depression, suicide, domestic violence, crime are all up. People are scared to go to the hospital and are dying of treatable diseases at home.

This is what I've heard from the doctors and nurses at my dojang.
That is a side effect I wish we had better statistics for. It almost certainly exists, but we donā€™t know how much of an increase there has been.
 
If the population in question isnā€™t large, or the percentage is very small.

But ā€œcould beā€ is pretty weak in this case.
using undefined terms like ''small number'' is a weak argument, even weaker than the term small %
 
the uk government have continued their policy of just making things up on the fly.

having previously discounted the idea of face masks as ineffective and counter productive they are now requiring people to wear them on public transport, but as actual masks are very difficult to get hold of, the government requirement is that you should tie a duster or other large weave piece of cloth round your face like a highway man or be fined, highway robbery indeed
 
the uk government have continued their policy of just making things up on the fly.
having previously discounted the idea of face masks as ineffective and counter productive they are now requiring people to wear them on public transport...

Wear a killer clown mask (like your avatar). If anyone complains, you are just following regulation! ;)

And stop complaining. Remember, no matter how bad it gets, you could have our president. :eek:
 
Wear a killer clown mask (like your avatar). If anyone complains, you are just following regulation! ;)
its so bizarrely unspecific you could wear much what you want

the ever helpful bbc has a web page with pictures on how to make a mask out of a t shirt, which goes,,,,,, first cut a piece out of the t shirt, then tie round mouth, really you need to explain that to people
 
its so bizarrely unspecific you could wear much what you want
...the ever helpful bbc has a web page with pictures on how to make a mask out of a shirt, first cut a piece out of the t shirt, then tie round mouth

No, no... T-shirts are too porous. The virus can get right through. Better to put a plastic bag over your head and seal it with several wraps of duct-tape tightly wound around your neck. Do that, and I can guarantee that you will never die of Covid-19! :confused:



...OK. I forgot about all the diverse range of intelligence of all the people who might be reading this. People: DO NOT SEAL YOUR HEAD IN AN AIRTIGHT PLASTIC BAG.
 
using undefined terms like ''small number'' is a weak argument, even weaker than the term small %
There you go again, deflecting from your lack of logic and reason by playing semantic games. The term is relative, and you absolutely understand it. You just pretend it's complicated and difficult to understand, rather than admitting you mixed up percentages and actual numbers.
 
the uk government have continued their policy of just making things up on the fly.

having previously discounted the idea of face masks as ineffective and counter productive they are now requiring people to wear them on public transport, but as actual masks are very difficult to get hold of, the government requirement is that you should tie a duster or other large weave piece of cloth round your face like a highway man or be fined, highway robbery indeed
In many cases, this is progression of understanding. Masks aren't terribly effective (for folks not used to wearing them) at reducing the chance of getting infected. They are more effective (even home-made cloth masks) at preventing outward transmission.
 
There you go again, deflecting from your lack of logic and reason by playing semantic games. The term is relative, and you absolutely understand it. You just pretend it's complicated and difficult to understand, rather than admitting you mixed up percentages and actual numbers.
of course its a relative term, thats the problem, what its relative TO, is known only to you and subject to change to fit what ever point your failing to make

its like them folk who stick very, or ultra or uber in front of things as if it means anything at all in a discussion about relative qualities or quantities
 
In many cases, this is progression of understanding. Masks aren't terribly effective (for folks not used to wearing them) at reducing the chance of getting infected. They are more effective (even home-made cloth masks) at preventing outward transmission.
In many cases, this is progression of understanding. Masks aren't terribly effective (for folks not used to wearing them) at reducing the chance of getting infected. They are more effective (even home-made cloth masks) at preventing outward transmission.
on a loose weave like say a duster, its just going to build up a concentration of virus on the outside of the cloth , meaning that anyone close is going to get a big hit

people two meters away may be safer, but the reason for wearing them is your going to be cheek by jowl with people on a crowded train
 
on a loose weave like say a duster, its just going to build up a concentration of virus on the outside of the cloth , meaning that anyone close is going to get a big hit

people two meters away may be safer, but the reason for wearing them is your going to be cheek by jowl with people on a crowded train
A build-up on the outside would perhaps be a problem if you sneezed, or such. I don't know if the virus is dislodged easily enough for anything short of a sneeze to make it airborn. If not, people nearby aren't in much danger - certainly probably less than simply breathing in the virus you exhale (rather than it getting lodged somewhere on the mask). Looser weaves will be less effective, but I haven't seen a model or any data to suggest where the line of ineffectiveness might lie.
 
A build-up on the outside would perhaps be a problem if you sneezed, or such. I don't know if the virus is dislodged easily enough for anything short of a sneeze to make it airborn. If not, people nearby aren't in much danger - certainly probably less than simply breathing in the virus you exhale (rather than it getting lodged somewhere on the mask). Looser weaves will be less effective, but I haven't seen a model or any data to suggest where the line of ineffectiveness might lie.
its in a fine mist that has soaked in to the cloth, of course it will be come airborn, if some one decided to hold a flem soaked handkerchief 6 inches from your mouth would you consider that safe ?

coughing or sneezing THROUGH it will just make it worse

you do know how small these things are dont you ? they are not going to be filtered by a duster
 
its in a fine mist that has soaked in to the cloth, of course it will be come airborn, if some one decided to hold a flem soaked handkerchief 6 inches from your mouth would you consider that safe ?

coughing or sneezing THROUGH it will just make it worse

you do know how small these things are dont you ? they are not going to be filtered by a duster
So, you meant folks within 6 inches of your face? Yeah, they're probably in trouble. As for the rest, I go with what the scientists say, rather than your rantings. By the way, I'm not even sure what a duster is. In the US, that'd be a thing (often made of feathers or a feather-like material) for dusting.
 
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