Tyson vs Paul

[marvin8]

My first thoughts went to this.
1. That statement was made after 1 year of just being in the industry. Not near long enough to understand it.

Those were Jake's thoughts at the time. Agreements are made outside of contracts all the time and people get away with it.

Like I said before. When people think things are rigged or a conspiracy when it doesn't turn out the way they think it should. It's just bad mindset to have.

People are not complaining about the outcome of the fight. They are saying it was predetermined not a real fight.

Here's a warning. Stop being so quick to jump on the coat tails of influencers. There is a reason why they are called influencers and not "Truth tellers" or "Experts" There entire profession is to influence your thought.

Yes, don't be so quick to believe influencers when they tell you this is a real fight. In Paul vs Tyson, Jake's people decide what the best outcome of the fight will be for both combatants, then offer their plan to Mike.

 

[HighKick]

I don't even know what you are saying. What is a non-MA's competition tool? Or better yet. What do you think is a MA's competition tool?

I see this very clearly in your comments. There are countless techniques that do not explicitly belong to any particular style or system. Most LEO understand and train in many of these techniques.

This is the definition of TMA. You can find "cross pollination" among different systems having the same techniques. Jow Ga Kung Fu is made of 3 different fighting systems. The founder took what he found useful from each system and combined them to make one system. This is the same thing MMA fighters do on an individual level. The only difference is that they aren't creating systems.

Um, that is Exactly what I said. You may not know this, but MDK TKD was quite influenced by Kung Fu. along with Okinawan/Japanese influences.

People who train TMA application for use in the context of System A vs System B do not have any problems with this. When I train with BJJ practitioners I don't have any problems using any of my TMA techniques. In reality, I use 2 techniques. Taiji push hand for sensitivity and a Jow Ga technique called "wrap the mummy" I'm able to use that same Jow Ga technique against grapplers and boxers. This technique comes natural for me now and I look at ease when applying it. The people who have trouble with what you state are people who don't train application and people who don't train System A vs System B.

Now you are just contradicting your previous comments. Again, Exactly what I inferred earlier. I am at a bit of a loss how to reply, but I train and am belted in three very different styles, TKD, Shotokan, & Kali. I travel a lot for work and have worked out at over 200 schools of all different styles. Some things cross over, several things to not.

It's not difficult. Learn to apply the technique and then train System A vs System B. "Family doesn't fight family" as fact you will discover that your techniques are easier to pull off when it's "System A vs System B" You'll discover that that some techniques work really well against one system and not against another system. The Jow Ga technique Wrap the mummy works well against boxers and grapplers but not so good against Wing Chun. By training System A vs System B, I learn when to apply the technique and against whom. I learn the limitations of it and what types of things make it difficult to pull off.

The problem isn't the History of TMA, the problem is that too many people don't know how to use it and too many people don't care about learning how to apply it. There is nothing I had to modernize with Jow Ga in order to make it work. I think people who say that a technique needs to be modernized are those who don't understand how that particular technique works. People in this forum used wo wonder how I was able to hit people with my long fist techniques. Some thought it was too slow. Now you seem the same technique in MMA knocking people out. I understand why the technique works and I know what breaks the technique. The only reason I understand it because I trained to used it and I failed many times before I understood it.

This sounds more like Koolaid propaganda than anything else. Or comments from someone with a narrow view on martial arts as a whole. It sounds like you have been involved in CMA and not much else and have been influenced by that viewpoint. I could be wrong. Let's face it, Kung Fu has fractured (Sholin, Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Baguazhang, there are probably more I do not know about) like most other styles. Good/bad? My guess would be good.
Again, struggling with how to respond but if I am working out/sparring with a person from another style, sometimes I have to learn their rules first. If I am in a LEO situation, I pull from all my experiences and training. There is no magic or System A vs System B to it. It is all the same MA/self-defense at that point.
I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but it is annoying when the things I just said are being repeated a different way.

Most of the time refinements in movements are over time and are either very subtle or non-existent (Sans modern 'styles' like MMA). But I am certain it has happened in Every style. There are just too many references to dispute it.
I have trained since '82, so I have seen a lot from a lot of different viewpoints. Where change is most consistent is in the ring or on the mat. Sometimes it is simply combining traditional techniques that are not commonly used together. Sometimes techniques are changed to get a tactical advantage over your competition (ask anyone who has competed at a high level, (nationals or higher) in any style. I have no clue if Kung Fu has such competitions.