Tyson vs Paul

[Sammy Naur]

Coffee is hot unless it's iced or chilled
"According to the National Coffee Association, the ideal water temperature for extraction is between 195°F and 205°F, which is a little below the boiling point of water — 212°F. What’s handy about this temperature range is that it works across all brewing methods."

Those temperature ranges are on my tea pot. When I make coffee, it is at boiling point. When someone orders hot coffee then they will get hot coffee so handle it with care. Hot water is more likely to cause injury then cold water.

Accidents happen. We do stuff and get injured. Sueing because coffee was hot is like suing a knife manufacturer for making the knife too sharp. Knives are sharp unless it wasn't designed to be sharp (butter knife)

Now if the McDonalds worker accidently spilled the cup then yes.

That's the brewing temperature, not the serving temp..you cook steak at 350-450F but would never serve it over 140F.

You would not eat food that was 200F. You would be instantly injured.

If I handed you something that was 200F without insulation, you'd drop it immediately. McD coffee cups are insulated so you don't know the damage until it's all over you:

"was in the hospital for 8 days with 2nd and 3rd degree burns"

3rd degree burns from fast food. That's not a consumer mistake, that was poor coffee delivery.

Did you know Starbucks has strict policies and machine checks because of this case? They sell way more coffee than McDs, but they put technology in place to prevent their coffee from ever being served to a customer at brewing temp

 

[JowGaWolf]

The lady was 78 years old, was in the hospital for 8 days with 2nd and 3rd degree burns and wanted to settle for $20k to cover her medical bills. They offered her $800, so she sued them.

This is McDonalds being stupid. If they are offering money, then they should have just helped her out by paying the medical bill because they felt bad that she was injured. I assume the accident happened on McDonald property. Just help her out, feel sorry that she came to that establishment and was hurt. Sometimes a little kindness goes a long way.

Like I tell people "Be the person that the cops don't want to arrest. Don't be the jerk that makes them want to arrest you." Same in business be the company that customer doesn't want to sue. Helping someone out when they are in need makes it less likely that they will sue.

The $800 was an insult.

 

[Steve]

Coffee is hot unless it's iced or chilled
"According to the National Coffee Association, the ideal water temperature for extraction is between 195°F and 205°F, which is a little below the boiling point of water — 212°F. What’s handy about this temperature range is that it works across all brewing methods."

Those temperature ranges are on my tea pot. When I make coffee, it is at boiling point. When someone orders hot coffee then they will get hot coffee so handle it with care. Hot water is more likely to cause injury then cold water.

Accidents happen. We do stuff and get injured. Sueing because coffee was hot is like suing a knife manufacturer for making the knife too sharp. Knives are sharp unless it wasn't designed to be sharp (butter knife)

Now if the McDonalds worker accidently spilled the cup then yes.

Accidents happen, but there were a few salient factors. One is that McD's coffee was 20 to 30F hotter than anywhere else. So, there's an issue of expectations. Simply put, all coffee is hot, but there's hot and then there's really, really hot. At the time, McD's was serving coffee way above the norm.

These days, if you order a coffee or Americano from Starbucks, they add water that is around 192F to the coffee... they also double cup it and let you know, hey... this is particularly hot. Frankly, this seems like a good thing to me. I'd prefer to get coffee served hot with a reminder that it's going to burn you if you aren't careful than for the company to serve tepid coffee. A good outcome, in my opinion.

The second thing is that McDs lowballed the victim here by a lot, eventually settled, and then distorted the messaging to the extent that, even now people view this as the quintessential example of a frivolous lawsuit, when it was actually quite justified and McDs new it (hence why they eventually settled). Stella wasn't looking to get rich. She was just trying to pay her medical bills.

And there's a sad commentary here about our healthcare system, too. A bonus, I guess.

 

[HighKick]

That's ole skool. Today's audience needs a shiny ball in front of them every minute. I don't like it but that's where the world is today.


Nah you think too negatively about it. That's no game stopper.
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What are you even talking about. Martial Arts is not about humility, dignity, and erudition (who speaks like this lol). But anyway. Martial Arts Isn't about that. Intentional Groin attacks, neck attacks, eye pokes, bone breaks, sword cuts, dagger cuts, and blunt force trauma are poor examples of humility, dignity, and erudition. (new word for the day). Literally if you look at the techniques found in martial arts arts, they are designed to hurt someone in the most efficient manner. Have you trained weapons in martial arts before. That stuff is brutal. Knife fighting techniques. brutal. CMA double dagger techniques are in human.

People confuse Martial Arts with Positive human moral values. These are two different things. Those values that you talk about except the last one, are values that I have without martial arts. I don't need martial arts to be person of high moral values. I definitely wouldn't seek martial arts to gain those values when everything I train in martial arts is about hurting someone.

You have the wrong understanding about martial arts. Look at what your techniques are designed to do and face the reality of that. Even shaolin monks don't get their moral values from martial arts. They get them from their religious belief.

I have to disagree with that and will give a (hopefully) easy answer. Parse the two words Martial Arts. Yes, 'martial' would encompass everything you mentioned. But 'arts' is the wrapper that controls all of it. Else, martial arts would have been outlawed a Long time ago.
If it needs more explanation, let me know.

 

[JowGaWolf]

That's the brewing temperature, not the serving temp..you cook steak at 350-450F but would never serve it over 140F.

Not steak, but there are foods that are served at high temperatures. Not that high but above 180

 

[JowGaWolf]

You would not eat food that was 200F. You would be instantly injured.

Eating and Serving are two different things

 

[JowGaWolf]

that is around 192F to the coffee... they also double cup it and let you know, hey... this is particularly hot. Frankly, this seems like a good thing to me. I'd prefer to get coffee served hot with a reminder that it's going to burn you if you aren't careful than for the company to serve tepid coffee. A good outcome, in my opinion.

I agree with you on this. Every hot dish and drink that I've ever had was given to me with "careful it's really hot" as they are handing it to me. I live in the south and that may be naturally a "southern hospitality thing for us." It's done out of consideration for the person that is receiving the hot food. Fridays used to serve a sizzling plate, when they brought the food out that's what it heard. They had to warn all customers just so the customer wouldn't reach for the plate. A little consideration can go a long way.

 

[Steve]

Not steak, but there are foods that are served at high temperatures. Not that high but above 180

Really? I'm super curious about this. I can think of food that is cooked to above 180F, but it's not consumed nearly that hot... more like 120 to 140F, generally. Things like pulled pork and brisket are cooked to 195 or even up to 205F, but you're going to eat it much cooler. Heck, by the time it's fully rested, it's going to be around 165F.

Do you have in mind some kind of soup or ramen maybe? Has to be a liquid, right?

 

[JowGaWolf]

I have to disagree with that and will give a (hopefully) easy answer. Parse the two words Martial Arts. Yes, 'martial' would encompass everything you mentioned. But 'arts' is the wrapper that controls all of it. Else, martial arts would have been outlawed a Long time ago.
If it needs more explanation, let me know.

When think of the word Art in two contexts.
1. The one you just stated
2. Then there's Art when it refers to the skill, strategy, and techniques. For example, The Art of War, The Art of Boxing,

According to Wikipedia (which I don't like to use) The phrase "martial arts" has its origins in the Latin term "arts of Mars," referring to Mars, the Roman god of war. It was used to describe the combat systems of Europe as early as the 1550s. If this is true, then it would predate the concepts of martial arts that you see.

At one point in history the weapons that are train in martial arts schools were once used in military and village fighting with the goal of injuring and killing another human. The fact that the UK has banned swords should give you some insight on how it's not like the definition that you are thinking. MMA by function is another good example. One doesn't have train fighting application in order do martial arts. It just means that their training is not valid for using those techniques in fighting.

The Martial Arts that you speak of would be what I call "Romanticized" by this I mean that it's described or portrayed as something in an idealized or exaggeratedly positive manner while ignoring the original function. If Martial Arts was a drink then many people mix spiritual concepts in the system and treat it as the system. But in reality it's actually 2 systems. The part about being humble doesn't match the main function of a sword or spear which is to kill.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Really? I'm super curious about this. I can think of food that is cooked to above 180F, but it's not consumed nearly that hot... more like 120 to 140F, generally. Things like pulled pork and brisket are cooked to 195 or even up to 205F, but you're going to eat it much cooler. Heck, by the time it's fully rested, it's going to be around 165F.

Do you have in mind some kind of soup or ramen maybe? Has to be a liquid, right?

Keep in mind Serve Food means that you receive it. It doesn't dictate when the food is eaten. The lady in the lawsuit didn't burn her mouth, she spilled her coffee. Just because the food is too hot to eat doesn't mean that it can't be served to me. Picking up food through the drive through is when the food is served. I may not eat it until I get home. When it's served and when I eat it are too different things.

The food that was served to me was some kind of meat dish but I can't remember if it was beef or chicken. It was a long time ago. It's served in a skillet and you have to let it cool down before eating and the skillet is placed on a wooden flat so that it doesn't burn the table. Crab and crawfish are often served right out of the boiling water.

Some grilled foods are served right off the grill. I haven't had Ramen soup in a long time but yes. Oatmeal is another one.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

Mike Tyson and Jake Paul made a fair payday from this event. The Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor fight was the real reason I tuned in live. Their fight was a true battle and worthy of my time. Did anyone else enjoy Taylor vs Serrano?

 

[HighKick]

When think of the word Art in two contexts.
1. The one you just stated
2. Then there's Art when it refers to the skill, strategy, and techniques. For example, The Art of War, The Art of Boxing,

According to Wikipedia (which I don't like to use) The phrase "martial arts" has its origins in the Latin term "arts of Mars," referring to Mars, the Roman god of war. It was used to describe the combat systems of Europe as early as the 1550s. If this is true, then it would predate the concepts of martial arts that you see.

At one point in history the weapons that are train in martial arts schools were once used in military and village fighting with the goal of injuring and killing another human. The fact that the UK has banned swords should give you some insight on how it's not like the definition that you are thinking. MMA by function is another good example. One doesn't have train fighting application in order do martial arts. It just means that their training is not valid for using those techniques in fighting.

The Martial Arts that you speak of would be what I call "Romanticized" by this I mean that it's described or portrayed as something in an idealized or exaggeratedly positive manner while ignoring the original function. If Martial Arts was a drink then many people mix spiritual concepts in the system and treat it as the system. But in reality it's actually 2 systems. The part about being humble doesn't match the main function of a sword or spear which is to kill.

In either definition, MMA has never been considered or classified as a martial art (by any knowledgeable people).
The historical roots, whether what you referenced are accurate or not, really have zero bearing today in any type of violent, contact sport. Leaning into it just weakens your argument.

 

[JowGaWolf]

What McDs used to do was continually heat their coffee all day long, which is normal for roasting (and something gas stations are notorious for), but you can't serve it that hot. Actually it can lead to cancer, burns aside.

Oh I didn't know how that's how they treated their coffee.

The Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor fight was the real reason I tuned in live. Their fight was a true battle and worthy of my time. Did anyone else enjoy Taylor vs Serrano?

I watched because of the other fights. If I only wanted to see Tyson and Paul fight then I would have used my time for something else. I was more curious about Paul vs Tyson. But for other people it was a big deal. For me it's like looking up 80 year old kung fu master just to see how well some people were able to maintain their mobility at an old age.

The Taylor vs Serrano fight was good, but Taylor was getting a beat down and it showed. Her cardio was bad. It was good until the headbutts started. After the 3rd one, I kept saying "Why isn't the ref calling it." Serrano went back in with that cut. I felt that they should have probably called it due to the cute on her eye. I've had the same thing on both of my eyes and it was small compared to that. In both occasions I bleed big time. Surprisingly it doesn't take much to bust it open at least for me it didn't

 

[JowGaWolf]

In either definition, MMA has never been considered or classified as a martial art (by any knowledgeable people).

MMA = Mixed Martial Arts right? It's not a system. It's a competition for Martial Artists. It is similar to Lei Tai which is a type of martial art competition open to all marital arts where they fight against each other. MMA is Martial Arts competition for martial artists.

The historical roots, whether what you referenced are accurate or not, really have zero bearing today in any type of violent, contact sport.

Of course it does. This one you'll have to explain because to me that logic doesn't make sense.

 

[Steve]

Keep in mind Serve Food means that you receive it. It doesn't dictate when the food is eaten. The lady in the lawsuit didn't burn her mouth, she spilled her coffee. Just because the food is too hot to eat doesn't mean that it can't be served to me. Picking up food through the drive through is when the food is served. I may not eat it until I get home. When it's served and when I eat it are too different things.

The food that was served to me was some kind of meat dish but I can't remember if it was beef or chicken. It was a long time ago. It's served in a skillet and you have to let it cool down before eating and the skillet is placed on a wooden flat so that it doesn't burn the table. Crab and crawfish are often served right out of the boiling water.

Some grilled foods are served right off the grill. I haven't had Ramen soup in a long time but yes. Oatmeal is another one.

I get what you're saying. I'm just trying to think of a food that's served that hot.

What you describe sounds like how fajitas are served in a tex mex restaurant. But while the skillet might be that hot, is the food itself going to be anywhere near 180F? Chicken gets dry and tough over 165F. Shrimp can't cook too long or it's going to be like rubber. And steak is generally in the 130 to 140F range.

Nothing I like more than a crawfish boil. The water might be 212F, but the food isn't going to be anywhere near that within second of being pulled out of the water. Well, maybe the potatoes... man, those little buggers retain heat like crazy... maybe you're on to something. I know ramen is really hot. And of course, eating hot pot... the broth is at least that hot.

Anyway, speaking of potatoes, this is very small potatoes, but it's exactly the kind of weird rabbit hole my brain goes down sometimes. Sort of a puzzle to think about what food is actually served over 180F...

Now I think I need to grab some lunch. I'm hungry all of a sudden.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Not steak, but there are foods that are served at high temperatures. Not that high but above 180

It only takes a few seconds at 140F to get a 2nd degree burn and that's skin. Your esophagus is way more sensitive.

You would seriously injure yourself swallowing anything hotter than 150. I think the pain threshold for the tongue is 150 ish

Served at 180F you would have to let it sit for a few minutes. Food temperature falls pretty fast the moment it's off the jeat.

A safe non burn temp is closer to 120-130F. A decent medium steak would need to down a few minutes before it's safe to eat.

Same thing with soup, you typically bring that to near boiling but would wait until it fell to under 140. And even since I read the study on esophageal cancer and not drinks, I just don't do that anymore.

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[JowGaWolf]

Well, maybe the potatoes... man, those little buggers retain heat like crazy... maybe you're on to something. I know ramen is really hot. And of course, eating hot pot... the broth is at least that hot.

The phrase "Eat it while it's hot" is not for me. That temperature between hot (burn my mouth) and Warm (heat it up a bit) is where I like to be. I've been the victim of hot cheese, and foods with a cooler outside but scorching inside. Food like that messes me up big time because I think it's cool enough to eat until I bite down on it. I'm trying to think of the food that gets me like that. Maybe that's why it always burns me. I can't remember it. Oh hot spring rolls are bad, but restaurants usually leave them out and by the time you get them they are less than warm. Street Venders pop it right out of the oil and onto the plate, The outside will be pleasantly warm but that inside may still have hot oil. There have been a few times where I've eaten a food like that and had to spit it out. Arby's sometimes sell some really hot fries, but I don't think it's at that 190 temp, but it's hot enough where you touch it slightly and don't want to pick it up because of the heat.

Now I think I need to grab some lunch. I'm hungry all of a sudden.

I was just thinking the same thing. lol. Looks like the world will end when cats and dogs get along and when Steve and I think the same thing lol.

 

[marvin8]

I think it will. I know when I sat down to watch, I saw how everything looked, and I said to myself "This is how boxing should be." The lights and the setup help create the environment. Unfortunately, the only way it's going to be big like that is if the boxers get into social media and interact with the fans. Allow the boxer to build their fan base via social media. That's going to be a must. They gotta stay engaged with their fans even if a match isn't coming up.

I wish I had a social media personality because I would have used it to help promote the kung fu school that I taught at. But then again we weren't the norm for kung fu schools. But I'm hoping I can open a Jow Ga school in the future and hopefully I'll be able to take advantage of social media as well. It would be nice to see Martial Talk go that way as well. Hint, Hint. Wink Wink. lol.

Jake's business strategy has proven successful so far. MVP's co-founder talks about the prospects for Jake.

 

[marvin8]

A leading behavioral analyst gives his conclusion at 37:06 to whether the Paul vs Tyson fight was staged.

 

[JowGaWolf]

A leading behavioral analyst gives his conclusion at 37:06 to whether the Paul vs Tyson fight was staged.

Interesting. One thing I can say is that a lot of people will be watching that Tyson documentary that will be showing on Netflix.