Oh also with stretching you don't want to go hard with that. Going too hard with stretches causes big tears in the muscles and causes injuries with take time. It also creates scar tissue which is less flexible.
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skribs
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For stretching, what you want to do is slowly increase the amount of stretch in a session. One thing I did when I was a yellow/purple belt in Taekwondo is I would lay on my back, put my butt up against the wall, and let gravity help me with my splits. It wasn't enough that it was painful, but I'd play Dominion on my phone or scroll through Facebook posts for about 5-10 minutes and then get up. I did this a few times a day, and within a few months my side kicks were much improved. Where you run into problems of over-stretching is when you quickly stretch to your maximum instead of slowly getting there.
For strength, your forms build muscle memory and I think help shape your muscles in the way you want them to go, but they won't increase your strength as much as pumping iron. I think it's a mix of the two - some focus purely on the physical workout and some focus on the skill itself - that makes it work. Personally, I don't work out. Between my day job and 4 hours of teaching/taking classes, I don't really have the time or energy to do so. But I understand that my punch is a lot weaker than it would be if I was working on the bench three times a week.
Can you find sparring/wrestling partners that you can spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily?
If you can't, for your MA skill, you can use
- solo drills to "polish" it.
- equipment training to "enhance" it.
Headhunter
Senior Master
Lol don't pretend you know a thing about me I'm the fittest guy at my club and I'm running a half marathon next week so don't go assuming I don't know anything about fitness
jobo
Grandmaster
So if your so clued up why did you say weights won't help develop skills, ?
skribs
Grandmaster
There's a difference in the motion for a kick and the motion for a dynamic stretch.
Bodyweight exercise will give quick gains at first, but you'll absolutely plateah, because you're doing the same exercise with roughly the same weight over and over. Find a way to increase the intensity. Practice explosive rising from that stance (outside the form). Practice holding that stance a long time (to reduce fatigue in the stance that makes it harder to rise out). Find a weight-bearing exercise that uses the same muslces - or just hold some light (and later, heavier) weights while practicing rising out of the stance.
Now translate that to other areas where you feel more strength would help your form.
And stretches should feel good, or have slight discomfort. They should never actually have pain. Also, pay attention to what is bearing the stretch. You want to feel it deep in the muscle, not near the attachment points.
Headhunter
Senior Master
Because they don't...if I have a crap roundhouse kick lifting weights isn't going to make my kick any better
jobo
Grandmaster
No there's not, if your are kicking that's dynamic, if you Are stretching while kicking that a dynamic stretch, what definition of dynamic are you using ?
jobo
Grandmaster
Putting weights on the ankle will
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
If you have stronger legs your kick is going to be better.
skribs
Grandmaster
Because dynamic stretching serves the purpose of increasing the maximum point at which you can stretch your leg, and kicking is focused on the technique of kicking. If I want to work on my front kick, I will do a stretching axe kick for the stretch, and then front kick in order to get the kick in. I guarantee you I get more of a stretch out of the swinging motion, and my stretch kick can go higher than my actual kick.
Same thing for side kick or back kick. I will swing my leg up for a stretch side kick, I will chamber and push for an actual side kick.
There's other motions as well. The motion for a stretching crescent kick is a wide sweeping motion, where I'll use a quicker, more targeted motion for an actual kick.
The muscles stretch differently when you do a swinging motion for a stretch kick than when you chamber and snap. I don't really see how anyone can do a front kick and then an axe kick and go "yeah, the stretch feels the same." Unless you're doing one of the kicks wrong and both look the same, too.
The roundhouse kick and ankle weight can hurt your knee joint big time.
jobo
Grandmaster
If your purpose for stretching is to kick higher, then there's no point stretching it any other direction than the one you want to kick in,
It's is both a) dynamic and b) a stretch is there Fore a dynamic stretch
jobo
Grandmaster
Only if they are silly heavy, if a light weight damage your knee, your knee as already damaged
Heavy is a relative term. It's not an absolute term.
The fast speed and heavy weight don't go together. IMO, this weight training can help your roundhouse kick.
I can agree with this
If you have any notion whatsoever of practicing for self defence reasons, you absolutely need to kick weighted.
Why?
Shoes.
If you can't kick with weights, you can't kick with shoes.
If you are called upon to defend yourself, you aren't likely to have time to get your shoes off.
My work boots weigh nigh on a kilo each, and I regularly practice in the garden wearing them.
Heavy is a relative term. It's not an absolute term.
The fast speed and heavy weight don't go together. IMO, this weight training can help your roundhouse kick.
That is possibly one of the most knee damaging exercises available...
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