It is all Kenpo, Tez3. LOL
Too Intellectual????
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Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
Very likely. We have a plethora of MMA gyms in the area. Heck, I ran one in the mid-nineties. The guys around here happily refer to kenpo as a TMA, which I find ironic. Mr. Parkers black belts used to be excluded from TMA tournaments.
One of my favorite stories from the early days. The JMA crowd is having a tournament, and they rule that lead-hand backnuckles are no-point, because you can't generate any power in it (as compared to a rear hand punch). The Parker boy whacks a guy with a lead backfist. "No point; no power". So he does it again in the next exchange, knocking the other guy down and out. While he's sleeping it off, the ref has to make the call. Again: "No point - no power". That was a mere 45-ish years ago. Hardly ancient history.
One of my favorite stories from the early days. The JMA crowd is having a tournament, and they rule that lead-hand backnuckles are no-point, because you can't generate any power in it (as compared to a rear hand punch). The Parker boy whacks a guy with a lead backfist. "No point; no power". So he does it again in the next exchange, knocking the other guy down and out. While he's sleeping it off, the ref has to make the call. Again: "No point - no power". That was a mere 45-ish years ago. Hardly ancient history.
As I was recently informed, it just mean China Hand, or Qin Hand, or, some how translated, fist law, which actually means, Understanding the laws and principles of nature regarding the fist, which more simply put means... Martial Art.Well you may think so but to us it could just as easily be Ecky Thump!
Wait... I always knew it meant martial art, but the Qin Hand, is new.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Two little issues with that.
Staying front on does not really stop you being stabbed.
And the back is exposed in sport as well. So if that kick creates that opening. It creates it without the knife.
Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
Right. Good time to shoot on someone, or slug them in the back of the neck or head.
As I was recently informed, it just mean China Hand, or Qin Hand, or, some how translated, fist law, which actually means, Understanding the laws and principles of nature regarding the fist, which more simply put means... Martial Art.
China Hand is the translation for the kanji on the patch for kara (China) te (hand). Kenpo is the translation for fist law.
Which means... (?)
Kara means empty, or if you stretch it, center, or hara. Ken, qin, and chin, work for me, but what ever the pronunciation it means the way you do martial stuff. LOL
Mmm that's the bit that has people arguing! "your way doesn't work" "yes it does, your way is pants" "no I've got videos to prove yours is useless and mine is supreme" etc etc etc. ad nauseum.
No, the kanji on Parker's patch is the kanji for "China" not "Empty" they are pronounced the same but have a different meaning. Funakoshi changed the kanji from "China" to "empty" for philosophical and political (the Japanese were unlikely to approve of doing an art named after a major rival). The Parker patch uses the older kanji, I can't remember but I am pretty certain Infinite Insights describes the kanji in the patch incorrectly.
Chaun-fa/Ken-po = Fist method or fist law, so maybe something like "how to use your fists" a completely generic reference to martial arts.
As for that nonsense, we all have our own kenpo. It is a generic term.
Tends not to be used too much here, all non martial artists think we do Judo anyway!
Every one here thinks I do Tae Kwon Do; so, it is no different, this side..
ShotoNoob
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Well, I've seen YT vids of Kenpo competitors sparring similar to what we see in sport karate. OTOH, the Kenpo practitioners that I know of in my locality (few) adhere to the more 'purist' practice you speak of. I'm in favor of the latter, personally....
ShotoNoob
Master Black Belt
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Yes, I have heard of that evolution of Kenpo. A heavy emphasis on the actual self defense, destructive usage. But then to counter your whole post, doesn't it (Kenpo) the differ from MMA in that regard? I'm mean MMA has safety rules. In MMA, competitors do try from sending the opponent to the morgue, or into permanent blindness, etc.
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Right. The Hawaiian version(s) speak of this flavor. Yet, in my area, there is/was an Chinese kempo school that shared very similar form & traditions to certain Okinawan kenpo styles. There's even Japanese Kenpo, I think. I'm not expert here, help me out....
Most of the "Chinese Kenpo" schools are Hawaiian derives kenpo lineages that added a later infusion of Chinese methods into their eclectic systems, this is also true of "Shaolin Kenpo." How much actual infusion of said Chinese methods varies on lineage and in many cases is more marketing than substance. The term kenpo was apparently used in Okinawa as an alternate term for karate in some lineages. I have never heard of a Japanese kenpo, but I have heard of a Shorinji Kenpo which is supposed to be essentially studying a Shaolin Chuan-Fa system through a Japanese head instructor and organization.
ShotoNoob
Master Black Belt
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My understanding that this is the route that Ed Parker took, who of course made the kenpo styles famous in America.
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Yes, I think this is what I am seeing in my locale. Basically Okinawan karate referred to as kenpo. These guys look a lot like kick boxers when it comes to sparring, though there are variations as you say.
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Anything Japanese kenpo is overshadowed by the Shotokan karate-lineage styles in Japan--IMO. In addition to the "Chaun-Fa" version, I do believe however, that an Okinawan kenpo style or styles has been translated to Japan, the relative following is small compared to the mainstream Japanese karate styles.
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