Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
You have some good points, esp. your last point. However, different arts develop under different circumstances and influences. The arts are constantly changing and there really is no such thing as a "pure" art. They are always being influenced by other arts and by innovators (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse). Given this, it can be very difficult to determine what techniques are part of the system's basic techniques, which would be considered advanced, and which are considered outlandish. This is a judgement that has been made by people, and in these cases, few people can agree on anything. Where is the line drawn, and how can we get the rest of the world to agree to our own definitions? We cannot, so make your own decisions on this and be content with it.MountainSage said:If a person needs to believe there is similarities between two things to justifiy their belief in either then so be it. Fighting arts are Fighting arts and Musical art is Musical Arts. The two have diffrent mean to their ends. It is unfortunate that we spend to much time dance in the grey areas, when so much of the world function in balck and white. This is not a value judgement.
FLying Crane, read more closely, I stated that techinque that are not part of the systems basic technique is ego. Using the exception to prove you point is poor quality debating. Learning to play traditional African musical intruments is a basic skill for Capoeira, does that mean all other fighting arts are lacking. No, it is a basic skill required for this particular fighting art.
The true measure of a master of a particular art is not how well he does the extreme techniques, yet how he perfects the simplist technique.
Mike Wood
Mountainsage
While I do believe it is extremely important to recognize that most, if not all, of the fancy and outlandish techniques, including the fancy kicks, have little or no real combat value, I think it is overly simplistic to equate their practice to little more than ego-building. Sometimes there can be a good reason to practice some of these techniques, even if direct combat application is not that reason. I only used Capoeira as an example, and did not mean to imply that other arts that do not incorporate the various aspects of Capoeira are somehow deficient. My meaning was simply to show that under the right circumstances, these techniques can be appropriate.