The essence of Tai Chi push hand kung fu

[windwalker099]

The Tai Chi locals, you mean.


This is noble,


but this is offensive.

If Master Yap pretended to know Tai Chi too, I'd yell at him too.

Master Yap?

Maybe my writing wasn't clear. When I say "it's not my thing," I'm referring to the competitive aspects of push hands practice.
Don't see much point to it, but do understand the practice...

There are those who focus for competition, and those who focus more on skill sets.
IME the practice's are not the same.
As a general part of the practice, in learning taiji skill sets,
depending on approach it's invaluable.

With those that practice for competitions.
they'er a good test for anyone wanting to check their skill sets against people who do compete,
without having to train for competitions.

There is no "pretending" anything. they will let you know either way whether one has skill, or not.
Some of the groups I visited, they will try to match people with equal or greater skill...

In China, a little different....

Once in Tianjin

A young guy, Chen stylist, he had a little trouble in our interaction.
An older woman stepped in,,,and promptly threw me out.
My Chinese is not so good.

Was told the Conversation between them.
"no, no, not like that" "like this"

would later find out the woman was his "mom"

way to go mom

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

What's the Taiji "single whip" usage?

I think this question has some logic issue. Has anybody ever asked,

- "What's the hook punch usage?"
- "What's the front kick usage?"
- "What's the hip throw usage?"
- ...

If you intentional define an abstract term, you then ask yourself "What's the meaning of that?" Why did you do that (define an abstract term) in the first place?

 

[Same Trick]

My Sigung went to train with YCF. He said YCF was fat and just pushed his students around. He was not impressed. YCF changed some things with the form that man6 people did not appreciate as improvement.

Yes, there has been a lot of YCF bashing ……after his passing, and it’s getting stronger the longer he’s been dead.

Yes, YCF did some changes, one of the most silly claim of his change that supposedly made TJQ “ineffective” is that he took away the jumping and stomping in the form, as if jumping and stomping make anything really martial
I’d say YCF took away the theatrical and kept the moves that fit easily with the essential oral instruction that put life in a true martial sense into the exercise, however he seem to have been restrictive on transmitting parts of the oral teachings, keeping that for those being on the inside.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yes, there has been a lot of YCF bashing ……after his passing, and it’s getting stronger the longer he’s been dead.

The bashing started when YCF was still alive.

One day my teacher and Li Jing-Lin walked in the Shanghai Park. YCF was teaching his class in the park. Li said to my teacher, "Look! YCF is cheating on his students again."

 

[Same Trick]

The bashing started when YCF was still alive.

One day my teacher and Li Jing-Lin walked in the Shanghai Park. YCF was teaching his class in the park. Li said to my teacher, "Look! YCF is cheating on his students again."

Well that’s not bashing on YCF skill, just about him not teaching openly what he taught in house, understandable , onlookers may otherwise just steal and go on teaching it.

 

[Same Trick]

The bashing started when YCF was still alive.

One day my teacher and Li Jing-Lin walked in the Shanghai Park. YCF was teaching his class in the park. Li said to my teacher, "Look! YCF is cheating on his students again."

It would be interesting to know what Li Jinglin thought(behind YCF’s back) YCF was cheating his students on.

Li Jinglin was a TJQ student of Yang Jianhou Yang Chengfu’s father, Li was well known as a sword(fencing) “wizard” in China , he was the founder of the famous ‘Central martial arts academy’ in Nanjing to where he invited famous teachers, one of the invited teachers was YCF, while at the martial arts academy for whatever reason there was set for a public fencing bout between Li Jinglin and YCF a bout in which Li was easily defeated.

Maybe Li felt humiliated by his defeat and came to hold a grudge against YCF ?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

It would be interesting to know what Li Jinglin thought(behind YCF’s back) YCF was cheating his students on.

I didn't ask my teacher about the detail.

My teacher told me that he knew the true reason of YCF's death. Li Jing-Lin won't allow YCF to teach in public. YCF died by depression.

In "Central martial arts academy", GM Han Ching-Tan wanted to challenge YCF. Han was stopped by Zhang Zhijiang (张之江).

 

[Same Trick]

I didn't ask my teacher about the detail.

My teacher told me that he knew the true reason of YCF's death. Li Jing-Lin won't allow YCF to teach in public. YCF died by depression.

that do t make sense as to what you describe in previous post about what Li Jinglin supposedly had said about YCF .

 

[Same Trick]

I didn't ask my teacher about the detail.

My teacher told me that he knew the true reason of YCF's death. Li Jing-Lin won't allow YCF to teach in public. YCF died by depression.

In "Central martial arts academy", GM Han Ching-Tan wanted to challenge YCF. Han was stopped by Zhang Zhijiang (张之江).

As I wrote previously, Li Jinglin learned TJQ from YCF’s father Yang Jianghou.

It is known that YCfF didn’t take to seriously into TJQ practice while his father was alive, it wasn’t until his fathers passing YCF felt he had to take it seriously and uphold family tradition. This may be another reason why ppl like Li Jinglin may have felt some kind of seniority over YCF. Of course Li was also a famous warlord/general also associated with Chiang Kaishek and the mobsters of Shanghai .

Yes sure YCF might have felt a lot of pressure from those groupings in Shanghai, but yet he taught there as he wanted to.