Earl Weiss
Senior Master
I know at least one Korean GM who disagreed with this as far as continuing to look while bowing.
Taekwondo Etiquette
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I know at least one Korean GM who disagreed with this as far as continuing to look while bowing.
andyjeffries
Senior Master
Could you say who? It might help to know whether this is a Kukkiwon GM or ITF GM. It might not, but knowing who said it may help me understand if they are an outlier or if they are a staunch Kukkiwon supporter maybe the practice just differs.
It wasn't the first time I'd heard this (but it was the highest/most senior person giving a reference to it I've heard).
My reference is SON Cheon-Taek, Director of the Kukkiwon Research Institute.
SJON
Blue Belt
Re. My second paragraph that you quoted ("It's not about changing the world ...")
I was under the impression that you were talking about TKD. I was talking about the education system.
Re. tenants/tenets
I was light-heartedly pointing out a mistake that 9 out of 10 posters seem to make. I was not trying to belittle you or be impolite. "If I'm going to joke, make sure I show I'm joking?" "Do it somewhere else?" At the risk of hurting your feelings, who do you think you are? If you take your art and its values so seriously, which I'm sure you do, and which is very commendable, then using correct terminology might be a step in the right direction.
Two different things.
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
A friend of mine "liked" on Facebook a rival school where some of his friends studied. His Master told him to "unlike" the school. I thought that was interesting.
That's an insecurity issue on the part of the master, disguised as an etiquette issue. Very sad, but all too common.
SJON
Blue Belt
No apology required.
It's sometimes said that the true meaning of a communication is how it's understood, not how it was meant, so perhaps the onus is indeed on me to make myself clearer. That, plus the "80% (or whatever) of communication is non-verbal" thing makes written conversations a tricky business sometimes.
Best regards,
Simon
It's sometimes said that the true meaning of a communication is how it's understood, not how it was meant, so perhaps the onus is indeed on me to make myself clearer. That, plus the "80% (or whatever) of communication is non-verbal" thing makes written conversations a tricky business sometimes.
Best regards,
Simon
Earl Weiss
Senior Master
From a historic perspective - 1965 Book - No mention of where you look when bowing.
1972 book - Keep eyes focused on opponent's chest.
1983 Book - Keep eyes focused on opponent's eyes.
General Choi.
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
Since this is an active thread on TKD etiquette, I'll ask an etiquette-type question here. I was at a BB tournament today (for kids and adults) and an adult male BB competitor was practising without his shirt on, in the practice area beside the competition mats.
Is it acceptable to practice shirtless at a tournament? My own answer was in the mock statement I made to a friend, "My pants are really restricting my kicks" as I pretended to undo my belt and take off my pants. What are your thoughts?
Is it acceptable to practice shirtless at a tournament? My own answer was in the mock statement I made to a friend, "My pants are really restricting my kicks" as I pretended to undo my belt and take off my pants. What are your thoughts?
rlobrecht
Brown Belt
In view of spectators and other competitors? Definitely not.
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
Yes, it was one big open area, with the practice area, competition area, and spectator area all in view of each other.
Earl Weiss
Senior Master
Was this just TKD or was it an open tournament? I ask because there is a Karate form that can only be judged propely if you can view the tension in the muscles of the arms and torso which is impossible to do if a typical uniform top is on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7YDkZrJ-V0&list=PLED3B2D2F1998039E
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
It was a TKD sparring tournament for kukkiwon-registered BB's (i.e., WTF rules). Forms were the previous day.
Wow I'm very surprised by this.
Thank you for sharing the info.
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andyjeffries
Senior Master
I think it probably depends where you are.
In the UK it would seem very usual. In LA/California it may be considered quite a bit more normal. Hawaii again, maybe it's OK.
I'd say if it's normally culturally acceptable, then it's fine.
For example, would you have thought it unacceptable of the guy had popped in to a small store to pick something up with no top on. In some areas/countries, this is perfectly fine. In others, it would be strongly frowned upon.
At the end of the day though, it's just a male upper body, it's on numerous billboards around the world and I'd say don't get stressed about...
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
Funny enough, it's in Ontario Canada, where legally women have the same rights to go topless as men. That came out of a court case where a woman wanted to swim at the YMCA without a top, like the men. I have only once seen a woman exercise that right though, so it is definitely not a cultural norm, regardless of the law.
andyjeffries
Senior Master
In your opinion and in your part of the world.
There are parts of the world where pre-tournament they may well have no tops on, because it's hot as hell!
No offense but I live in Texas 110 in the shade. It is not acceptable to be at a venue with parents and kids running around warming up with out a shirt. Yes it is my opinion but if it was at a park or outside training that is different than at a tournament, but this was a TKD event correct? If so follow the proper etiquette and keep a shirt on.
Gwai Lo Dan
3rd Black Belt
Yes, it was a regional (provincial, to be more exact) TKD tournament, WTF rules, for KKW-registered BB's. Temperature inside was about 21C / 70F.
