Super slow Siu Nim Tau (siu lam tau)

[Kung Fu Wang]

Make no mistakes, I'm weird alright.

When I filled in some security questions for one website log in, there was one question, "What the food that you definite hate". My answer was, "meat". I must be weird.

When people disagree with me, I take it as "normal".

 

[geezer]

When people disagree with me, I take it as "normal".

 

[Danny T]

Geezer...That made me laugh out loud!!
Kung Fu Wang...I agree with Geezer in disagreeing with you just so you can be normal. And I don't want you to get dinged because I'm being disagreeable.

 

[snake_monkey]

I will answer this: Yes. I have played it very slow. Sometimes in class, more often at seminars when there is more time spent training. It's a good workout for the horse but anything over 5 mins is probably best reserved for intermediate to advanced level practitioners.

I find the main benefit to be that when one plays the form in this way the movements themselves become more 'correct' or 'exact' in terms of muscle memory and relaxation. It may help to think about it this way; It is a way to get a different perspective on the form which may bring greater understanding of the form to the practitioner. This relates to mind-body understanding. I don't think of it in terms of any mystical Chi power but breathing slowly from the belly while keeping a pocket of air is not only energizing and invigorating but helps train proper breathing for Wing Chun in action. Just my thoughts.

 

[Zeno Bokor]

Another question is do people do part of SLT slowly and then part of it fast?

We do the Sam Bai Fat section slowly but then do the rest fast. Obviously when you practice it it can, and should, be done at different speeds to learn it, refine it and so on. But for us the correct way to do the SLT is with Slow Sam Bai Fat and fast through the rest of it.

It really depends on the intended use of the movements for your lineage. For us, the first part of the form isn't about defending, it's about learning to use your elbow/wrist so that part is done slowly so that you can concentrate of the movement. The techniques that defend strikes or attack are done fast because you're training those techniques at normal speed but the huen sao we do slower because we use that for wrist strengthening. Also the general pace of the third form is faster than that of the second form which in turn is faster than the first form.

 

[geezer]

It really depends on the intended use of the movements for your lineage.

Zeno- which lineage are you from?

 

[Zeno Bokor]

Lo Man Kam. Here's a video of our first form:
https://v-s.mobi/siu-lim-tao-小念頭-thierry-cuvillier-2016-taiwan-04:00

For me the huen sao done in the video is much to fast but i'm not going to criticize because he is much higher up the food chain than i am

 

[skyeisonfire]

I've always been taught to be as slow as possible, and do it many, many, many, many times. But I've always hated slow.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I've always been taught to be as slow as possible,

Do you change your breathing in the middle of your punch?

start punch ----> exhale ---> inhale ---> end punch

If you don't, how long can one of your inhale (or exhale) may last?

 

[skyeisonfire]

I'm good at breathing, been doing it since I was born lol. But seriously, I never really paid attention. Breathing to me was learned in the gym during slow reps and isometric holds. I just do it automatically. Usually push movements exhale and pulling movements inhale. But SNT is a little different. I guess I use the same principle but just longer duration. I never did it super slow anyways. Slow is never my speed.

 

[FinalStreet]

I'm good at breathing, been doing it since I was born lol. But seriously, I never really paid attention. Breathing to me was learned in the gym during slow reps and isometric holds. I just do it automatically. Usually push movements exhale and pulling movements inhale. But SNT is a little different. I guess I use the same principle but just longer duration. I never did it super slow anyways. Slow is never my speed.

SNT, long hard work, but huge pay-off. (not in drills). It's not a drill. So if you do not feel immediate benefits within 2-3 minutes after, then something wrong, if feel some parts worked some did not, probably incorrect. SNT is only taught Correct behind closed doors. Even Yip Man was in the selling business. Ofcourse everybody knows slow, but only probably less than 1000 people correct can use SNT efficiently. It's not for everybody to know.

 

[Shaka]

I know a lot of people won't have the patience to do the slow method, but there's a lot of small nuances involved doing Siu Nim Tao correctly from a NeiGung perspective, which is missing from the basic teachings from the Yipman lineage. The slow method was the true secret in the Wing Chun method. Done correctly over time, it will increase power and speed. If you dona search on Chu Shong Tin on Nim Lik or Nim Tao, he explains it well from experience and also demonstrates the power from doing it correctly over time.

 

[Callen]

I know a lot of people won't have the patience to do the slow method, but there's a lot of small nuances involved doing Siu Nim Tao correctly from a NeiGung perspective, which is missing from the basic teachings from the Yipman lineage. The slow method was the true secret in the Wing Chun method. Done correctly over time, it will increase power and speed. If you dona search on Chu Shong Tin on Nim Lik or Nim Tao, he explains it well from experience and also demonstrates the power from doing it correctly over time.

Are you a CST student?

 

[geezer]

I know a lot of people won't have the patience to do the slow method, but there's a lot of small nuances involved doing Siu Nim Tao correctly from a NeiGung perspective, which is missing from the basic teachings from the Yipman lineage. The slow method was the true secret in the Wing Chun method. Done correctly over time, it will increase power and speed. If you dona search on Chu Shong Tin on Nim Lik or Nim Tao, he explains it well from experience and also demonstrates the power from doing it correctly over time.

Damn.... you just broke my concentration. I've been doing the same SNT set continuously and incredibly slowly for the last 5 years since starting this thread! I was spending a full year on each movement while taking my food and eliminating through tubes. I finished the left side and was nearly through the right side when you interrupted me.

Oh well.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Damn.... you just broke my concentration. I've been doing the same SNT set continuously and incredibly slowly for the last 5 years since starting this thread! I was spending a full year on each movement while taking my food and eliminating through tubes. I finished the left side and was nearly through the right side when you interrupted me.

Oh well.

DANG!!!!! Some people are SO inconsiderate,,,

Only one thing left to do..... start from the beginning again....