When I filled in some security questions for one website log in, there was one question, "What the food that you definite hate". My answer was, "meat". I must be weird.
When people disagree with me, I take it as "normal".
Super slow Siu Nim Tau (siu lam tau)
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When people disagree with me, I take it as "normal".
snake_monkey
Orange Belt
I will answer this: Yes. I have played it very slow. Sometimes in class, more often at seminars when there is more time spent training. It's a good workout for the horse but anything over 5 mins is probably best reserved for intermediate to advanced level practitioners.
I find the main benefit to be that when one plays the form in this way the movements themselves become more 'correct' or 'exact' in terms of muscle memory and relaxation. It may help to think about it this way; It is a way to get a different perspective on the form which may bring greater understanding of the form to the practitioner. This relates to mind-body understanding. I don't think of it in terms of any mystical Chi power but breathing slowly from the belly while keeping a pocket of air is not only energizing and invigorating but helps train proper breathing for Wing Chun in action. Just my thoughts.
I find the main benefit to be that when one plays the form in this way the movements themselves become more 'correct' or 'exact' in terms of muscle memory and relaxation. It may help to think about it this way; It is a way to get a different perspective on the form which may bring greater understanding of the form to the practitioner. This relates to mind-body understanding. I don't think of it in terms of any mystical Chi power but breathing slowly from the belly while keeping a pocket of air is not only energizing and invigorating but helps train proper breathing for Wing Chun in action. Just my thoughts.
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Zeno Bokor
White Belt
It really depends on the intended use of the movements for your lineage. For us, the first part of the form isn't about defending, it's about learning to use your elbow/wrist so that part is done slowly so that you can concentrate of the movement. The techniques that defend strikes or attack are done fast because you're training those techniques at normal speed but the huen sao we do slower because we use that for wrist strengthening. Also the general pace of the third form is faster than that of the second form which in turn is faster than the first form.
Zeno- which lineage are you from?
Zeno Bokor
White Belt
Lo Man Kam. Here's a video of our first form:
https://v-s.mobi/siu-lim-tao-å°åæµé -thierry-cuvillier-2016-taiwan-04:00
For me the huen sao done in the video is much to fast but i'm not going to criticize because he is much higher up the food chain than i am
https://v-s.mobi/siu-lim-tao-å°åæµé -thierry-cuvillier-2016-taiwan-04:00
For me the huen sao done in the video is much to fast but i'm not going to criticize because he is much higher up the food chain than i am
skyeisonfire
Blue Belt
I've always been taught to be as slow as possible, and do it many, many, many, many times. But I've always hated slow.
Do you change your breathing in the middle of your punch?
start punch ----> exhale ---> inhale ---> end punch
If you don't, how long can one of your inhale (or exhale) may last?
skyeisonfire
Blue Belt
I'm good at breathing, been doing it since I was born lol. But seriously, I never really paid attention. Breathing to me was learned in the gym during slow reps and isometric holds. I just do it automatically. Usually push movements exhale and pulling movements inhale. But SNT is a little different. I guess I use the same principle but just longer duration. I never did it super slow anyways. Slow is never my speed.
FinalStreet
Yellow Belt
SNT, long hard work, but huge pay-off. (not in drills). It's not a drill. So if you do not feel immediate benefits within 2-3 minutes after, then something wrong, if feel some parts worked some did not, probably incorrect. SNT is only taught Correct behind closed doors. Even Yip Man was in the selling business. Ofcourse everybody knows slow, but only probably less than 1000 people correct can use SNT efficiently. It's not for everybody to know.
I know a lot of people won't have the patience to do the slow method, but there's a lot of small nuances involved doing Siu Nim Tao correctly from a NeiGung perspective, which is missing from the basic teachings from the Yipman lineage. The slow method was the true secret in the Wing Chun method. Done correctly over time, it will increase power and speed. If you dona search on Chu Shong Tin on Nim Lik or Nim Tao, he explains it well from experience and also demonstrates the power from doing it correctly over time.
Are you a CST student?
Damn.... you just broke my concentration. I've been doing the same SNT set continuously and incredibly slowly for the last 5 years since starting this thread! I was spending a full year on each movement while taking my food and eliminating through tubes. I finished the left side and was nearly through the right side when you interrupted me.
Oh well.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Damn.... you just broke my concentration. I've been doing the same SNT set continuously and incredibly slowly for the last 5 years since starting this thread! I was spending a full year on each movement while taking my food and eliminating through tubes. I finished the left side and was nearly through the right side when you interrupted me.
Oh well.
DANG!!!!! Some people are SO inconsiderate,,,
Only one thing left to do..... start from the beginning again....
