The bent arm version is more common outside of kung fu circles. The straight arm is more common within kung fu circles.
Stop Saying “Traditional” Martial Arts
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Yes.
No. The primary knuckles Pico is using are the first row knuckles. There are many boxing and MMA KO's, training and striking tutorials on video showing the first row knuckles used and thumb on top of the index finger, not the second row knuckles nor the thumb to the side like the door knock.The knucles that are striking the doore are the same knuckles that KO'ed the Fighter. Striking with these knuckles is the Traditional way to use long fist stirkes.
windwalker099
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If one does not train long arm, it's a little hard understanding how they'er thrown or set up.
Some of the logic and striking surfaces used in long arm.
Style dependent
To me the ones listed as traditional teach fixed stances, that in the end are to be transitory and used momentarily and then move on.
The second list uses mobile platforms in their footwork.
I added in the 80's to our curriculum that I teach Oblique stance.
Why?
Because in FMA while moving one ends up oblique a lot of the time.
We teach the other stances so people who are not used to a mobile platform will at least listen long enough to the conversation and not totally dismiss a student while they are learning.
Also many within the traditional arts will say "Oh you are one of those" (* Actual quote to me - a lot *) when I use the phrase mobile platform.
I'm glad you posted that video. It saves me time. The video of the hand knocking shows how people naturally don't wrap the thumb around the fingers when knock on a door. It does not show how the thumb should be bent. It only shows that it doesn't wrap around like it is commonly done when making a fist. Correct fist showing thumb on side.
There is a thread that on this site that shows the different fist structures that we use. This is my fist.
Yep. It's definitely difficult to explain to someone who hasn't tried to hit that way. We can see in the video that the flow is different than the one shot mma overhand. The other thing is that there is alot more to the punch you video shows. Like the shots to the body. If someone has high defense then the punch can easily be directed to the body. Your video shows the numerous options.
If one does not train long arm, it's a little hard understanding how they'er thrown or set up.
Some of the logic and striking surfaces used in long arm.
Style dependent
The Chinese wrestling head lock is to use your forearm (inside sharp bone) to hit on the back of your opponent's head. After you have knocked him out half way, you then apply head lock and take him down.
You can also use your forearm inside sharp bone to deal with incoming punches too.
Here are some long fist long arm striking:
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HighKick
Master Black Belt
While I do agree, but the term does make a good divider from styles like, MMA, FMA, Muay Thai and such that are mainly about combat/contact.
Good point. I've hit people with my forearm in situations when my sparring partner closed gap before I could throw the punch but instead of resetting, I just adjusted where I expected the impact to occur. And even this concept is difficult for me to explain. The best way I can explain is to do a comparison. With MMA overhand, the point of impact is the front of the fist. With long fist the point of impact could be at the fist, wrist, or forearm.The Chinese wrestling head lock is to use your forearm (inside sharp bone) to hit on the back of your opponent's head. After you have knocked him out half way, you then apply head lock and take him down.
People don't train long arm striking may not understand what I'm talking about. A hook punch doesn't have to use fist.
With the MMA overhand the range of the overhand is limited. With long fist, the strike can start long then end short or start short and end long.
isshinryuronin
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Yes, the forearm is a much-underused weapon for that range between elbow and fist that can be done vertically or horizontally. And as you point out, it can be adjusted for distance in flight. It's powerful, too, especially with a rotating snap at the end.
Here's a good example contrast for you. Traditional Martial artists who practices long fist will have a good chuckle with this video. Because the very thing that he talks about has already been solved by Traditional Martial Arts. So yes. Sometimes traditional martial artists may sound arrogant, but they really aren't. It's just that they understand and see that people like this guy are at the beginning stages of "punch development" for the MMA Overhand. When they finally figure it out, it will be the same thing Traditional Martial Artist have been doing for hundreds of years. So this first part he talks about what part of the fist to use.
Traditional Martial Arts do not teach to do this type of punch with the two knuckles he points out. Traditional Martial Artist hit with the knuckles that he says "Don't hit with" The only reason he's saying this is because he doesn't understand the best fist structure to use. If you notice he wraps his thumb around his fingers when he does this overhand. Then he's talks about breaking your hand. There is a low risk that I will break my hand. Looking at the first fisth image below. Skull strikes are done with the entire area that you see. So traditional martial artist will hear that guys statement and ask "Why would you strike the skull with those knuckles? If I or anyone strikes the top of your head with this fist, you will be at risk of having severe neck injuries or paralysis. In other words. Don't let any one hit you on top of your head and don't hit other's on top of their head.
Traditional Martial Arts "Long Fist"
Understands the overhand like this.
This strike is literally found in a lot of CMA systems
Hopefully this helps you.
We have the same strikes in Jow Ga as the 2 last clips. The last clip is performed a little differently. But I'm pretty sure it's the same technique. Long back fist, Long Hook? (I don't know the proper name for it it), but it's the same whiping motion that the backfist has but is't done forward. It's not the same mechanics as the short hook. It's more like how the over hand is done in Traditional Martial Arts, but instead of going diagonally downwards, it just goes straight across.The Chinese wrestling head lock is to use your forearm (inside sharp bone) to hit on the back of your opponent's head. After you have knocked him out half way, you then apply head lock and take him down.
You can also use your forearm inside sharp bone to deal with incoming punches too.
Here are some long fist long arm striking:
This is definitely common. It turns out that many people don't know how to have a solid stance lol.
There are more martial art techniques than there is skill in applying those techniques. While many different martial art moves exist, the true skill lies in being able to effectively use them in a real-life situation. Kumite, or sparring, is an integral part of TMA training. It involves applying techniques learned in Katas and Kihons against a real opponent. MMA is an open rules venue where traditional and non-traditional MAists develop skills in applying their techniques.
Key skills developed in both kumite and combat sports include:
Key skills developed in both kumite and combat sports include:
- Timing: Recognizing the right moment to execute a technique.
- Distance control: Maintaining the optimal distance from an opponent.
- Adaptability: Adjusting to an opponent's changing tactics.
- Offensive skills: Executing strikes, kicks, throws, locks and combinations effectively
- Defensive skills: Blocking and evading attacks
- Reflexes and reaction time: Responding quickly to an opponent's actions
- Decision-making: Analyzing the situation and choosing the best response
- Counter-attacking: Capitalizing on an opponent's mistakes
This is true. The OP's concern really isn't a big issue. It's no different than saying Modern Medicine and Traditional Medicine. Both are medicine, but the terms help use to understand the perspective of Medicine.
Traditional medicine has a long history of contributing to conventional medicine and continues to hold promise
Traditional medicine is sometimes seen as pre-scientific, its practices and treatments to be replaced by modern, better, more efficient science-based medicine.
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