Stop Saying “Traditional” Martial Arts

[JowGaWolf]

Bending the arm that way is how i always train that strike in the heavy bag at head level, works fine so that I can hit with seiken. I would now strike with the smaller knuckles on a head without good gloves, so even if we dont strike to head in sparring, I train these full force on the bag, I and I always try to envision the surface I am hitting. Which is nothing like a heavy bag. I sometimes do it with less power on a beam with soft padding, just to feel the feedback. If it feels evenly distributed I conclude its good, if the pain is sticking out somewhere, wrist, elbow etc.. then something with the linkage or alignment is likely wrong. Hitting hard with the weak knuckles feels not great.

The bent arm version is more common outside of kung fu circles. The straight arm is more common within kung fu circles.

 

[marvin8]

Here is a close up. The thumb is on top of the first finger.

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Yes.

The knucles that are striking the doore are the same knuckles that KO'ed the Fighter. Striking with these knuckles is the Traditional way to use long fist stirkes.

No. The primary knuckles Pico is using are the first row knuckles. There are many boxing and MMA KO's, training and striking tutorials on video showing the first row knuckles used and thumb on top of the index finger, not the second row knuckles nor the thumb to the side like the door knock.

 

[windwalker099]

That's how the long fist punch is done I've said it many times before. Step off center at a 45 degree angle. I don't know what you are talking about grab or clear. That has nothing to do with the swinging arm. Neither does a KO punch. Technique is Technique. KO doesn't determine the structure of the technique.

I throw these type of punches all the time go hit a heavy bad the way you say then your can learn the hard way. You don't even use or train this type of punch.

If one does not train long arm, it's a little hard understanding how they'er thrown or set up.
Some of the logic and striking surfaces used in long arm.
Style dependent

 

[Rich Parsons]

Why do we call martial arts like Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Kung Fu “traditional” but not arts like Muay Thai, Jiujitsu, Boxing or Wrestling?

The latter arts actually have much earlier roots than the former ones. TKD for example wasn’t invented until 1950. Muay Thai and BJJ were already formalized by the 1920s, about the same time karate was just being established in Japan. Boxing and wrestling as we know them today were formalized in the 1800s but of course have ancient lineages.

To me the ones listed as traditional teach fixed stances, that in the end are to be transitory and used momentarily and then move on.

The second list uses mobile platforms in their footwork.

I added in the 80's to our curriculum that I teach Oblique stance.
Why?
Because in FMA while moving one ends up oblique a lot of the time.
We teach the other stances so people who are not used to a mobile platform will at least listen long enough to the conversation and not totally dismiss a student while they are learning.

Also many within the traditional arts will say "Oh you are one of those" (* Actual quote to me - a lot *) when I use the phrase mobile platform.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Yes.


No. The primary knuckles Pico is using are the first row knuckles. There are many boxing and MMA KO's, training and striking tutorials on video showing the first row knuckles used and thumb on top of the index finger, not the second row knuckles nor the thumb to the side like the door knock.

I'm glad you posted that video. It saves me time. The video of the hand knocking shows how people naturally don't wrap the thumb around the fingers when knock on a door. It does not show how the thumb should be bent. It only shows that it doesn't wrap around like it is commonly done when making a fist. Correct fist showing thumb on side.

There is a thread that on this site that shows the different fist structures that we use. This is my fist.

 

[JowGaWolf]

If one does not train long arm, it's a little hard understanding how they'er thrown or set up.
Some of the logic and striking surfaces used in long arm.
Style dependent

Yep. It's definitely difficult to explain to someone who hasn't tried to hit that way. We can see in the video that the flow is different than the one shot mma overhand. The other thing is that there is alot more to the punch you video shows. Like the shots to the body. If someone has high defense then the punch can easily be directed to the body. Your video shows the numerous options.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yep. It's definitely difficult to explain to someone who hasn't tried to hit that way.

The Chinese wrestling head lock is to use your forearm (inside sharp bone) to hit on the back of your opponent's head. After you have knocked him out half way, you then apply head lock and take him down.

You can also use your forearm inside sharp bone to deal with incoming punches too.



Here are some long fist long arm striking: