State of Mind when Fighting?

[drop bear]

I doubt you could comprehend that.

Didn't answer the question and trying to distract.

Where do you stand. Is the military style mind set better or the Chris parker style better.

You claim they are different skill sets. But they really are not.

 

[ShotoNoob]

Lets look back. You are so fast you are unblockable while also having such good defence that you are also un hitable. Winning fights in seconds rather than minutes. And having such great mental clarity that having Greg Jackson in your corner would be more of a hindrance than an advantage.

If you were any harder you would rust.

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You need Greg Jackson in your corner. He makes you harder than rust. I get it.... My bad.....

 

[ShotoNoob]

Lets look back. You are so fast you are unblockable while also having such good defence that you are also un hitable. Winning fights in seconds rather than minutes. And having such great mental clarity that having Greg Jackson in your corner would be more of a hindrance than an advantage.

If you were any harder you would rust.

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Ok, let's say I'm having a bad day. I would want Shai Hulud in my corner rather than Greg Jackson. Shai's only a "Green Belt" @ MT, and Greg Jackson is the MMA MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. GJ's got fame & fortune while I'm scrabbling to sign up anyone for our karate/MMA class.
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You've exposed the fraud....Rusty....

 

[drop bear]

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Ok, let's say I'm having a bad day. I would want Shai Hulud in my corner rather than Greg Jackson. Shai's only a "Green Belt" @ MT, and Greg Jackson is the MMA MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. He's got fame & fortune while I'm scrabbling to sign up anyone for our karate/MMA class.
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You've exposed the fraud....Rusty....

So you are not considering the idea that Greg Jackson is an outright better trainer than you?

Is this a mental clarity thing?

 

[ShotoNoob]

So you are not considering the idea that Greg Jackson is an outright better trainer than you?

Is this a mental clarity thing?

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Bye.

 

[Danny T]

ok how are you defining the difference?

Mental clarity is a state of emotional and psychological well-being in which an individual is capable of using his/her cognitive and emotional capabilities for the situation they are presented with.

Discipline is training to do something by controlling your behavior or the manner by which it is done.

 

[Chris Parker]

you said it is not designed to create a top level warrior. The army said is is designed to create an exceptional Australian soldier.

Er… soldier… warrior… not the same thing in this context…

you said it is designed to create someone who follows orders. The army said it is to create someone who shows initiative.

Yeah… because on the promo material they're going to say that they want mindless followers… you do get how advertising works, yeah? Highlight the appealing and all that… of course, the most important part is where they say they want an exceptional soldier… so understanding what that means first is kinda key…

reducing it to discipline is refining the idea to a workable idea rather than mess around with intangibles.

No, that's reducing the idea to something you feel you can grasp… which leaves you missing pretty much everything, really.

I mean we need to create a mindset that the person is going to fight back hard and smart. You don't need specialist training. You just make their training hard and mentality challenging.

Again, not really what's being discussed…

I think you are over cooking this.

And I think you're trying to argue something you have no real exposure to.

So which mindset is better in a fight. The independent thinking martial artist or the follow orders soldier?

Well, that's a pretty vague question… what kind of fight? What context? Who's involved? What's the reason for it? Frankly, either… depending on what's required.

Not at all. fighting mentality is what we are discussing.

Not entirely, no, we're not. We've moved from that to mindset training, and what that means within different systems, as well as whether or not it plays a major role.

And fighting mentality is a discipline a soldier would be expected to know.

Within their context, yeah… but that's not the same thing as martial mindset as trained in a number of arts.

So if they are different why is that?

I worry that you would ask that, honestly.

do you operate in a team? I certainly do wherever possible. And you you want Mr individual mindset who is achieving some sort of greater mental clarity. Or do you want a guy who will do what he is told"

As with the rest, it depends.

Didn't answer the question and trying to distract.

Where do you stand. Is the military style mind set better or the Chris parker style better.

You claim they are different skill sets. But they really are not.

Yeah, they really, really are. Neither are really "better", except in their context.

Mental clarity is a state of emotional and psychological well-being in which an individual is capable of using his/her cognitive and emotional capabilities for the situation they are presented with.

Discipline is training to do something by controlling your behavior or the manner by which it is done.

Nice. I like that.

On the topic, here's a recent blog post on mindset (well, one aspect of it), as trained in Japanese martial arts: The Budo Bum States Of Mind Mushin

 

[drop bear]

Yeah… because on the promo material they're going to say that they want mindless followers… you do get how advertising works, yeah? Highlight the appealing and all that… of course, the most important part is where they say they want an exceptional soldier… so understanding what that means first is kinda key…

So the army website is wrong and you are right?

you cant sell that to anybody sorry.

 

[drop bear]

Er… soldier… warrior… not the same thing in this context…

Yrs it is.

 

[drop bear]

No, that's reducing the idea to something you feel you can grasp… which leaves you missing pretty much everything, really

Reducing the system to something that people who fight can use. And that people who do fight use.

If nobody uses your system or understands it. It is kind of a pointless exercise. Even if it had relevance. Which so far you haven't shown.

 

[Tez3]

Bringing soldiers into this argument is actually to misunderstand what soldiers do. They, well ours at least, aren't mindlessly following orders. They have a job to do and are trained to do it, it's really as simple as that. 'Fighting mind set', well not exactly, they are gaol orientated, fighting is a part more often than not of reaching that gaol so they do so as professionals. More important than a 'fighting mind set' is a supreme confidence in their skills and in their comrades, this enables them to perform to the best of their ability. So any arguments about soldiers and this OP is a little redundant to my mind.

 

[drop bear]

Within their context, yeah… but that's not the same thing as martial mindset as trained in a number of arts.

And here is the point of it you may have a martial mindset. But there is no link to it helping you in a fight. Which makes that mindset only relevant to your martial art.

 

[drop bear]

Bringing soldiers into this argument is actually to misunderstand what soldiers do. They, well ours at least, aren't mindlessly following orders. They have a job to do and are trained to do it, it's really as simple as that. 'Fighting mind set', well not exactly, they are gaol orientated, fighting is a part more often than not of reaching that gaol so they do so as professionals. More important than a 'fighting mind set' is a supreme confidence in their skills and in their comrades, this enables them to perform to the best of their ability. So any arguments about soldiers and this OP is a little redundant to my mind.

My argument is that the goal orientation the professionalism and confidence is a fighting mindset. Rather than achieving some mystical state of enlightened fight readiness through specialized training.

 

[seasoned]

Folks, lets keep the conversation polite. Bickering back and forth can only lead to points violations down the road if left unchecked.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

 

[Transk53]

Didn't answer the question and trying to distract.

Where do you stand. Is the military style mind set better or the Chris parker style better.

You claim they are different skill sets. But they really are not.

No not really. Neither Both are irrelevant as to what you originally asked.

 

[Transk53]

Folks, lets keep the conversation polite. Bickering back and forth can only lead to points violations down the road if left unchecked.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Just a bit of banter between me and drop bear. That it is how I intend anyway

 

[Tez3]

No not really. Neither Both are irrelevant as to what you originally asked.

I agree, being a soldier is a professional career, which like any profession is trained for. Long gone are the days of instant obedience and 'over the top'. These days the military is as likely to be doing humanitarian and peace keeping duties as fighting wars. When they do fight wars the infantry soldier is no longer the 'grunt' on the ground, the job is very specialised. War has become very technical and clinical so the old 'warrior' mindset has been replaced with the new 'warrior' mindset of getting the job done with all the tools at their disposal, much like surgeons now so any comparison of the military mind set and the martial arts mind set isn't valid.

 

[Transk53]

I agree, being a soldier is a professional career, which like any profession is trained for. Long gone are the days of instant obedience and 'over the top'. These days the military is as likely to be doing humanitarian and peace keeping duties as fighting wars. When they do fight wars the infantry soldier is no longer the 'grunt' on the ground, the job is very specialised. War has become very technical and clinical so the old 'warrior' mindset has been replaced with the new 'warrior' mindset of getting the job done with all the tools at their disposal, much like surgeons now so any comparison of the military mind set and the martial arts mind set isn't valid.

Yeah, well put Tez

 

[Argus]

Reducing the system to something that people who fight can use. And that people who do fight use.

If nobody uses your system or understands it. It is kind of a pointless exercise. Even if it had relevance. Which so far you haven't shown.

Drop Bear, I feel you are making many, many erroneous assumptions.
Why do you feel that noone uses or understands these concepts?
Why do you feel that intangible concepts cannot be applied, or produce real-world results?
Why, for that matter, do you feel you should judge ideas before you even understand them to begin with? You're merely judging your perception of what you think they are, without any understanding of the subject itself. That's a good way not to learn anything.

The more I train, the more I learn to shut my mouth and open my mind. The moment you judge and write off something, is the moment you've ensured that you'll never be able to understand or make use of it. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that cultivates a blind and ignorant perspective of the world. There are so many things in the martial arts that I originally thought impractical or implausible, but can now apply intuitively under pressure because I kept an open mind and trained.

It's kind of like the people who say they don't like "X" (spicy food, or black coffee, for example). It's just a perception; it's simply that they haven't decided to be open minded enough to try X on a regular basis and develop and diversify their tastes. There are many foods now that I can enjoy that I wasn't initially very keen on, simply because I made that choice to give them a try; not once, not twice, but repeatedly until I learned to appreciate them.

Be humble, keep an open mind, and you'll come to appreciate the world in all of its breadth and complexity.

 

[drop bear]

Drop Bear, I feel you are making many, many erroneous assumptions.
Why do you feel that noone uses or understands these concepts?
Why do you feel that intangible concepts cannot be applied, or produce real-world results?
Why, for that matter, do you feel you should judge ideas before you even understand them to begin with? You're merely judging your perception of what you think they are, without any understanding of the subject itself. That's a good way not to learn anything.

The more I train, the more I learn to shut my mouth and open my mind. The moment you judge and write off something, is the moment you've ensured that you'll never be able to understand or make use of it. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that cultivates a blind and ignorant perspective of the world. There are so many things in the martial arts that I originally thought impractical or implausible, but can now apply intuitively under pressure because I kept an open mind and trained.

It's kind of like the people who say they don't like "X" (spicy food, or black coffee, for example). It's just a perception; it's simply that they haven't decided to be open minded enough to try X on a regular basis and develop and diversify their tastes. There are many foods now that I can enjoy that I wasn't initially very keen on, simply because I made that choice to give them a try; not once, not twice, but repeatedly until I learned to appreciate them.

Be humble, keep an open mind, and you'll come to appreciate the world in all of its breadth and complexity.

Ok. Who uses or understands these concepts?

people who actually get into fights would be nice.