Originally posted by jazkiljok
yes, a bear hug is an aggressive move that leads somewhere- no one bearhugs by simply standing behind you and wrapping their arms around you- and if you practice it that way there's no wonder that you find it easy to move about freely.
but the reality is there would be a surge of momemtum and complete closing of any gap between the attacker and his intended victim as Doc is saying.
also you have a natural reflex response to move your hands forward and up to those arms that are crushing you- not back and around.
whatever anyone intends for this technique it would be practical as Arnisador writes, to prevent or delay any attempt to lift you as your first response- then proceed to a counter.
question 1: Doc do you use a version of this technique to handle bearhugs or do you offer other solutions?
question 2: Arnisador- you've already made an opening suggestion-- what type of complete response does FMA offer to this attack?
:asian:
In our curriculum we have several components that examine the assault side of every technique before it begins. One of these is the PSYCHOLOGY OF CONFRONTATION. This specifically looks at the attackers actions, how they are triggered, and what is his/her immediate and usually separate ultimate intent.
As a part of that process we are obliged to examine the PHYSICAL MECHANISMS that must come into play to launch the attack. This will yield the answer to establishing functional COUNTER MECHANISMS. In a bear hug scenario, your attacker moves swiftly to secure his actions. This causes him to bring substantial body momentum to the initial assault, as you said.
In this particular attack scenario, the ultimate intent is NOT simply the bear hug. In a singular assault the bear hug is initiated to IMMOBILIZE THE VICTIM for further action. Most likely this will facilitate the victim being “lifted from their feet.” In most instances there is a size and possible GENDER DISPARITY between the victim and the attacker. (I am not suggesting people of the same gender don’t bear hug each other, but when they do the PSYCHOLOGY is different.)
That makes this attacker more dangerous because they are of a type we call a PREDATOR. This is much different from a spontaneous attack. This person moves surreptitiously, “lays in wait,” has thought the attack through to a point, and “has some semblance of a plan.” This also falls into the subcategory of a “MUGGER HUGGER.” Much different from throwing a punch or a TACKLE, because a “tackler” has a different intent, and brings BODY MOMENTUM in a different purposeful way.
Our solution comes under the most important category in the assault categories. It is called SURVIVE THE INITIAL ASSAULT™. S.I.A. is a “Sub-Level Four Kenpo Concept that focuses on the performance of the first part of self-defense techniques to insure immediate stability and the absorption of the first offensive action. This leads to the ability to execute and complete the technique sequence, and ultimate survival and effective retaliation.” It includes an anti-grappling mechanism called a "GCM"™ along with significant postures and footwork and pins in conjunction with specifc basics.
This component is taught differently for each type and variation of an assault theme. It is one of the many subtle things that makes the way I was taught and SL-4 “different.”
In this assault, we have physical mechanisms that first absorb the BODY MOMENTUM, re-configure the attacker to a NEGATIVE BODY POSTURE™, and IMMOBILIZE his body as well as PIN his hands in most instances. This prevents him from being able to move, lift, or release. Once this is done and the situation is stabilized, then we move to retaliation mechanisms.
Although this seems complex, (and in a sense it is) someone who has never done it can be “walked through” it rather simply in person. Unfortunately it really is too difficult to understand the subtleties when written. For that reason we don’t even include it in our coursebooks. It is taught by certificated staff in the classroom environment. It is not a “secret” and I share it with students I meet all the time.
It's great to see the discussions move toward reasonable and intelligent thoughts. That is what makes these forums worth the effort. Also a reminder that I am not suggesting someone else's teachings are wrong, but only sharing what I was taught and created to add to the discussion and to provoke thought.
Respectfully
Excerpt from SubLevel Four Kenpo Course 104
SQUEEZING THE PEACH - (Rear bear hug -- arms pinned low)
1. SURVIVE THE INITIAL ASSAULT and absorb his momentum and with your feet together, and your opponent applying the bear-hug, step back slightly with your left foot toward 6:00 into a right MODIFIED SHORT forward bow (facing 12 o'clock). Push your buttocks into him to control depth. Use your momentum to REVERSE HEAD BUTT, then SHOTGUN SLAP, followed by a SEIZE of your opponent's testicles or flesh inside of thigh with your left hand, holding tight, keeping your opponent tight against your body. During this action your right hand should attempt to apply a PINNING check on top of your opponent's right wrist, and pulls downward. All of this should cause your opponent to release or at least loosen his grip. PAUSE
2. Immediately step straight forward with your left foot (while maintaining the grab
with your left hand tightly) toward 12 o'clock into a left neutral bow pulling your opponent with you, causing him to open his legs and, placing his crotch directly over your right foot. PAUSE
3. Now Pivot toward 3:00 into a horse stance, pulling and jerking downward then immediately striking with a right upward heel kick to your opponent's groin. STOP
4. With your right leg still in the air from the right heel kick, buckle your opponentÂ’s
left inner knee by stomping into a right reverse bow toward 10:30. Then immediately execute a right BACK OBSCURE ELBOW strike to the chin of your opponent, as your left hand slap checks at your right shoulder.
5. Execute a right front crossover, and cover out toward 4:30.
Timing & Breathing Signature: 1 P 2 P 34 C
GCM Signature™: 1G, 23, 4G, 5
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