Matt Stone
Master of Arts
Yet again, I invite Judo-kid down to Puyallup so I can demonstrate to him the usefulness of not sparring... At least not the way he thinks.
When Chufeng and I were training a few weeks back, I suppose you could say we were "sparring" in the sense that we were trading attacks and defenses without letting up. The training focus was on follow up techniques rather than a simple block-strike response, endurance, and learning to think on your feet.
However, I spent quite a bit of time face down on the concrete (yes, concrete - we train outdoors) after having been hit. It seems the thinking is that TMAists don't really hit when they train... Far from it.
Ultimately, though, that session was a rarity. Our training is usually oriented on having the attacker (A) come at the defender (B) with a general type of attack (a punching technique, a kicking technique, a grab, etc.; for beginners, the actual technique is specified so they don't get impaled on a technique they weren't able to intercept). A strikes at B, B reacts. The strikes start out light until the feel of the combination is comfortable. Then, gradually, the tempo and power are cranked up, notch by notch. By the time we finish, each partner has sucked floor several times. I write this at 0105 AM on Monday morning. We trained Saturday from 0900 until 1200... My forearms are still sore from the beating they took at the hands of a beginner.
You are correct. And when you run across a TMAist that has trained for decades to remain calm and not react with unrestrained emotionally charged mistakes but with surgical reactions to common situations, you will also get to see what really works...
And with your vast experience studying TMA, you know this how? Based on the poor demonstration by half-a$$ed schools that you already acknowledge have limited skills? Like the saying goes, you can't see the forest because the trees block your view...
That might explain Bagua's orthodox footwork being intended to assist in taking you to the rear of the opponent...?
Because, as we all know, trained MAists are usually the ones starting trouble... In all the fights I have heard of, of all the police reports I have read, the only reports of martial arts training were from guys trying to sound tough... The reality has been that the guys that actually had the MA training were either the ones not involved in the fight, or the ones making the report to the police (as opposed to the other guy that was taking an ambulance ride downtown...).
Thus showing that fighting multiple opponents can be done... Although I have absolutely no idea who Mike Vallely is, nor what in the world an Ock might be...
You're right... Most of the people you will run across that you might have to use empty handed defense techniques against would be drunks, punks, or equally imposing and dangerous figures... The really dangerous people carry guns, and so would not be the best choices for a rear naked choke...
Because it doesn't. Why do people still try and say that sparring does prove something?
I haven't done full contact fighting, but the traditional training I have had, where my partner has slammed me in the liver or some other equally tender morsel and caused me to suck floor, sure felt like the real thing, too...
Come down to Puyallup, Judo-kid. Then you will be able to either say that TMA works, TMA is okay, or TMA is crap. No matter what, you will actually have experience with TMA to base your decision on...
Gambarimasu.
:asian:
When Chufeng and I were training a few weeks back, I suppose you could say we were "sparring" in the sense that we were trading attacks and defenses without letting up. The training focus was on follow up techniques rather than a simple block-strike response, endurance, and learning to think on your feet.
However, I spent quite a bit of time face down on the concrete (yes, concrete - we train outdoors) after having been hit. It seems the thinking is that TMAists don't really hit when they train... Far from it.
Ultimately, though, that session was a rarity. Our training is usually oriented on having the attacker (A) come at the defender (B) with a general type of attack (a punching technique, a kicking technique, a grab, etc.; for beginners, the actual technique is specified so they don't get impaled on a technique they weren't able to intercept). A strikes at B, B reacts. The strikes start out light until the feel of the combination is comfortable. Then, gradually, the tempo and power are cranked up, notch by notch. By the time we finish, each partner has sucked floor several times. I write this at 0105 AM on Monday morning. We trained Saturday from 0900 until 1200... My forearms are still sore from the beating they took at the hands of a beginner.
You are correct. And when you run across a TMAist that has trained for decades to remain calm and not react with unrestrained emotionally charged mistakes but with surgical reactions to common situations, you will also get to see what really works...
And with your vast experience studying TMA, you know this how? Based on the poor demonstration by half-a$$ed schools that you already acknowledge have limited skills? Like the saying goes, you can't see the forest because the trees block your view...
That might explain Bagua's orthodox footwork being intended to assist in taking you to the rear of the opponent...?
Because, as we all know, trained MAists are usually the ones starting trouble... In all the fights I have heard of, of all the police reports I have read, the only reports of martial arts training were from guys trying to sound tough... The reality has been that the guys that actually had the MA training were either the ones not involved in the fight, or the ones making the report to the police (as opposed to the other guy that was taking an ambulance ride downtown...).
Thus showing that fighting multiple opponents can be done... Although I have absolutely no idea who Mike Vallely is, nor what in the world an Ock might be...
You're right... Most of the people you will run across that you might have to use empty handed defense techniques against would be drunks, punks, or equally imposing and dangerous figures... The really dangerous people carry guns, and so would not be the best choices for a rear naked choke...
Because it doesn't. Why do people still try and say that sparring does prove something?
I haven't done full contact fighting, but the traditional training I have had, where my partner has slammed me in the liver or some other equally tender morsel and caused me to suck floor, sure felt like the real thing, too...
Come down to Puyallup, Judo-kid. Then you will be able to either say that TMA works, TMA is okay, or TMA is crap. No matter what, you will actually have experience with TMA to base your decision on...
Gambarimasu.
:asian:
