Should Sex Ed be reformed?

[Twin Fist]

One of my students is a public school teacher.

he home schools his kids.

I just got one through high school, after seeing HER teachers, I dont trust any of them.

and no, we dont have the choice of where our kids go to school, the democrats here shoot down school voucher programs (that defere the cost of private schools) so they can force kids to go to crappy public schools.

If you live somewhere like I do, were there is NO private schools, you either home school, or deal with teachers protected by unions.

 

[Carol]

One of my students is a public school teacher.

he home schools his kids.

I just got one through high school, after seeing HER teachers, I dont trust any of them.

and no, we dont have the choice of where our kids go to school, the democrats here shoot down school voucher programs (that defere the cost of private schools) so they can force kids to go to crappy public schools.

If you live somewhere like I do, were there is NO private schools, you either home school, or deal with teachers protected by unions.

Yup. My niece and nephew "down yonder" were homeschooled until Grade 8.

 

[Tez3]

One of my students is a public school teacher.

he home schools his kids.

I just got one through high school, after seeing HER teachers, I dont trust any of them.

and no, we dont have the choice of where our kids go to school, the democrats here shoot down school voucher programs (that defere the cost of private schools) so they can force kids to go to crappy public schools.

If you live somewhere like I do, were there is NO private schools, you either home school, or deal with teachers protected by unions.

So here am I in a socialist country who had a choice of four free secondary schools for my daughter plus a lot of private ones rofl! Plus the teachers aren't protected as much as yours are by their union, they can get sacked quite easily.
All the schools we had to chose from are at a distance but school bus travel was free. I sent my daughter to the joint Catholic/Church of England school and my son to the bigger Richmond school where Lewis Carroll was a former pupil. There's also a secondary school on the Garrison and one further up the road all of which I could have sent my children to.
There were three private schools I considered sending my daughter to, one is a Jewish public school, 'Ali G/Borat' being a famous ex pupil where fees would have been appropriate to my salary and two girls schools, Harrogate Ladies College and Queen Ethelburga's (thought I'd mention the names because it might amuse non Brits!) however my daughter didn't want to board even tho it was just weekly. I could have sent her to my old school but that's in Scotland, too far away. Public schools in the UK are the big private schools such as Eton,Winchester,Harrow, Roedean etc.

 

[Sukerkin]

When I went through the school system here, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth , I found it very suitable to my needs and there I learned a wide variety of skills (both vocational and academic). Including Religious Education from an atheist (which is by far the best way to learn about every faith in an unbiased fashion).

Admittedly, I had to learn cooking and sewing at home from my mother as it was a more sexually segregated world then too but it, school, equipped me to make informed choices about what I wanted to do and allowed me to discover what I was good at.

Now it seems schools are geared to squeezing enough results out of pupils to satisfy 'league tables' and whilst the quality of teachers may be the same as in my day they are not allowed to teach any more. Add no discipline and it is little wonder that the kids come out of school fit for nothing but gangs and the dole queue.

 

[MJS]

If you read my quote, you would have noticed that my father EXPLAINED the consequences that would arise due to my actions. I both feared and respected him. I also love the old bugger. He never used "just fear" to keep me in check. That is not at all what I am advocating.

My apologies. Should have read that a bit more careful.

What I am advocating is leaving sex ed to parents to teach how they see fit.

IIRC, I think I've said that parents are free to teach what they want. Only thing is, is that it it shouldn't be sugar coated, as I've explained in other posts. Of course, I also said that there're those parents that a) choose to say nothing because they're afraid to taint their glass doll of a child or b) they themselves see nothing wrong with getting knocked up at 15, in which case, you, me and the rest of the tax payers have to foot the bill, which frankly, I don't think any of us should have to do.

 

[MJS]

MJS-
1) no one can really argue that those demo's by the police fire dept encourage drinking. It is pretty clear that the sort of programs some people advocate would in fact encourage kids to experiment.


2) teach them INFORMATION sure

3) MORALS? NOPE

not no but hell no. no way no how is some school teacher gonna try and tell my kids what is or isnt moral.

4) thats a parents job.

5) you think kids need information? You must not have any kids if you think that. Trust me, I just raised one, and I caught her googling more than just her bio homework. This aint the 50's anymore. The information is all out there, and they know how to get it.

I'll start at the top and work down.

1) I never said that they'd work. As I said in past posts which apparently were not read, its no different than any other instruction. We can tell someone to do or not to do something so many times, but if that person chooses to do it anyways, its out of our hands, but at least we made an attempt.

2) Ok

3) Ok

4) Have you been reading my posts about what to do when the parent does nothing? I see alot of huffy posts about those parental rights, but when asked what kids are to do when their parents do nothing or when their parents condone a 15yo getting knocked up, nobody seems to have a reply. Hmmmm...go figure.

5) Guess you missed that post too. I have said in one of these many posts that I don't have any. What does that have to do with anything? Of course, if you really read what I was saying, instead of jumping the gun and getting all heated, I've said that yes, there is info out there, however, is what they're getting online the best source? Kinda like learning TKD or Kaju from a tape. Come on man, you know what I mean. I think you're smarter than that.

diseases, pregnancy, how to prevent each.

WHY does anything more need to be taught?

I'll let you go back and find the post in which I've already addressed that. Nevermind, I'll save you the work and direct you to it.

BTW- i was answering tez's joking post about teaching young boys proper technique when I said 'if I had to learn on my own, so they should too"

It was a jest.

 

[artFling]

" there I learned a wide variety of skills (both vocational and academic). Including Religious Education from an atheist (which is by far the best way to learn about every faith in an unbiased fashion). "

Don't kid yourself; everyone is biased, even the atheist.

 

[Tez3]

" there I learned a wide variety of skills (both vocational and academic). Including Religious Education from an atheist (which is by far the best way to learn about every faith in an unbiased fashion). "

Don't kid yourself; everyone is biased, even the atheist.

Ahem...if Sukerkin says he was unbiased...he was unbiased. Besides it is totally possible to be unbiased about things. One doesn't go through life with blinkers on you know! I for one have never met a chocolate I didn't like.

 

[Twin Fist]

I have. Chocolate covered insects. i didnt like that one.....

Ahem...if Sukerkin says he was unbiased...he was unbiased. Besides it is totally possible to be unbiased about things. One doesn't go through life with blinkers on you know! I for one have never met a chocolate I didn't like.

 

[Tez3]

I have. Chocolate covered insects. i didnt like that one.....

Just lick the chocolate off lol! Like the old joke about the nurse that was given a bag of Brazil nuts by an old lady she looked after. She expressed her thanks only to be told by the old lady that she only liked the chocolate covering and had licked it all off.

We've got chocolate and chilli crisps here...I think you call them chips?
If you don't like that there's squirrel flavour.


Not off topic, it's a refreshment break lol! time for a cuppa and reflection!

 

[Sukerkin]

Don't kid yourself; everyone is biased, even the atheist.

When it comes to religion, I stand by what I said. I have never met a fairer minded and more enquiring man than my RE teacher at school.

An atheist, who at his own expense had toured the holy sites of the world, learning from the 'holy' men at such sites and was there, in my school, to pass on what he learned to me, without faith based bias, it being an aspect of learning about human-kind, was a resource beyond price.

 

[arnisador]

you think kids need information? You must not have any kids if you think that. Trust me, I just raised one, and I caught her googling more than just her bio homework. This aint the 50's anymore. The information is all out there, and they know how to get it.

"I saw it on the web. It must be true."

 

[yorkshirelad]

Ahem...if Sukerkin says he was unbiased...he was unbiased. Besides it is totally possible to be unbiased about things. One doesn't go through life with blinkers on you know! I for one have never met a chocolate I didn't like.

Everytime I see quotes like this I think of Cadbury's and Rowntree's chocolate. Yum....It's just not the same over here.

 

[Tez3]

Everytime I see quotes like this I think of Cadbury's and Rowntree's chocolate. Yum....It's just not the same over here.

Talking of Rowntrees is actually very apt on this thread, it's a company started by Quakers which has done and is still doing a noble amount of work in making this world a better place!
http://www.josephrowntree.org.uk/

 

[Bruno@MT]

Speaking from a female point of view it may be an idea to teach the males how to actually make love to a woman....so many, many of you get it so wrong.

This is getting off-topic, but it would help if females actually talked with us instead of expecting us to understand them without a manual. For example, most females, if something (anything) is wrong, will not put it in words, and instead leave it for us to figure out.

If I ask my wife 'what's wrong'
She says 'Nothing' even though it could be something very specific.
Sometimes, the tone of 'nothing' means 'you are an idiot. You don't expect me to tell you what's wrong, Do you? And if you don't know already, then you really ****ed up. You are really in trouble.'

Of course there are also times when 'nothing' means what it says, yet other times it really sounds like she means 'nothing' even though it really means she is pissed off.

So if us males don't know what females want... it's not -all- our fault.
Most women know well enough how to make themselves understood by men. They just don't feel like it. It's simple enough, really: think about what you are going to say. Then strip it from all hidden meaning, subtle clues, and links to something you said a long time ago, until only the bare words are left.
If that does not convey the information you want us to act on, then we will screw up.
Likewise, if I say something, it really means what I am saying, with no hidden meaning or links with something I said last year about something unrelated.

Another example: some time ago I talked with a pregnant woman, and told her I don't ask about pregnancy until it is near the end of the term, because a friend of ours once make the fatal mistake of asking a non-pregnant friend how the pregnancy was going...

When I told my wife, she told me I was being an idiot, and explained in a detailed analysis of he conversation how that woman now probably thought I meant that she was fat...

After 10 years of being with my wife (7 years married) I am still off-balance when it comes to interpreting what my wife says, and in some matters she flat out refuses to give direct answers. It's really not that I don't want to understand. It's just that she does not let me, as if it's a failing of mine that I don't understand when she is not communicating in a way I can interpret.

 

[Kajowaraku]

When I told my wife, she told me I was being an idiot, and explained in a detailed analysis of he conversation how that woman now probably thought I meant that she was fat...

Lmao. Sounds so familiar.

 

[Tez3]

This is getting off-topic, but it would help if females actually talked with us instead of expecting us to understand them without a manual. For example, most females, if something (anything) is wrong, will not put it in words, and instead leave it for us to figure out.

If I ask my wife 'what's wrong'
She says 'Nothing' even though it could be something very specific.
Sometimes, the tone of 'nothing' means 'you are an idiot. You don't expect me to tell you what's wrong, Do you? And if you don't know already, then you really ****ed up. You are really in trouble.'

Of course there are also times when 'nothing' means what it says, yet other times it really sounds like she means 'nothing' even though it really means she is pissed off.

So if us males don't know what females want... it's not -all- our fault.
Most women know well enough how to make themselves understood by men. They just don't feel like it. It's simple enough, really: think about what you are going to say. Then strip it from all hidden meaning, subtle clues, and links to something you said a long time ago, until only the bare words are left.
If that does not convey the information you want us to act on, then we will screw up.
Likewise, if I say something, it really means what I am saying, with no hidden meaning or links with something I said last year about something unrelated.

Another example: some time ago I talked with a pregnant woman, and told her I don't ask about pregnancy until it is near the end of the term, because a friend of ours once make the fatal mistake of asking a non-pregnant friend how the pregnancy was going...

When I told my wife, she told me I was being an idiot, and explained in a detailed analysis of he conversation how that woman now probably thought I meant that she was fat...

After 10 years of being with my wife (7 years married) I am still off-balance when it comes to interpreting what my wife says, and in some matters she flat out refuses to give direct answers. It's really not that I don't want to understand. It's just that she does not let me, as if it's a failing of mine that I don't understand when she is not communicating in a way I can interpret.

Can't be much help I'm afraid, I'm not a very female friendly person in truth. I've always worked with men since I was 18 and fairly macho ones at that so if asked whats wrong I tell people exactly whats wrong but one man I'm close to still thinks there's hidden meanings in what I say because to him thats how women are.
I think it's one of those things that could do with being talked about while your'e still young, communication between the sexes! TBH the sex bit is easy it's all the rest thats hard!

 

[yorkshirelad]

Talking of Rowntrees is actually very apt on this thread, it's a company started by Quakers which has done and is still doing a noble amount of work in making this world a better place!
http://www.josephrowntree.org.uk/

I lived in York for a short time, when my old man started a business with a friend. During that time I went to Joseph Rowntree school. The school is in the Quaker village of New Earswick and is a truly beautiful place. Just as it was when it was built in the 30s/40s I believe. Going back to West Yorkshire was depressing after this experience.

 

[teekin]

This is off topic but aprox 70% of what is communicated by women is non-verbal. I think the stat for men is 30%. The problem is that women expect men to be able to "see" what is being communicated non verbally....and they don't. Subtle does not work with most men, with some it is the only way to go.
My suggestion is to tell her you can see she is upset and ask her if she would like to talk about it. Then Shut Up and let her vent. Just by acknowledging she is upset and asking her to talk you have been supportive and caring and that's likely what the root problem was all about in the first place.
lori

 

[Carol]

I think any couple needs to put time and effort in to learning how each other communicates, no matter who they are or how old they are. I tend to be open and blunt...which can also take some people by surprise.

Sometimes another person can be easy to understand, sometimes not, but getting to know more and more about another person is part of the enjoyment of a relationship, IMO.