Ok... but the trick is if you're doing something technically incorrect from day one, evolving doesn't make it right. While you may make it applicable, you're still not correct. And as for hurt feelings, that needs to be addressed to those still in the SD folds, not those that have left.
Again its not about validating the SD, but rather making an observation. Do you agree or disagree that martial arts change and evolve over time? I would think this would be an interesting topic as relates to the very nature of human
ingenuity, being able to over time make them most out things others would consider worthless. Thats really is what is at the heart of my post.
Long fist is a descriptive of power generation for striking & other such goodies, not necessarily stance work.
It is really just my best guess if I had to compare SD to a Chinese martial art.
Right. So call it as it is. It is what it is.
The fact is, regardless of the well documented origins of SD, if a person in the said style practices kicking, punching, blocking...etc, that is still of value despite SD being based on a mountain of lies. But as far as calling it what it is, there are plenty forums or message boards on the internet that have done that years ago with threads still going to this day. Its been beat to death. I'm not really malicious person. Or hell bent on the destruction of any martial art that I find repugnant. There is plenty of that going around when it comes to SD. Like I said before, I honestly don't wont' to offend anyone who practices SD. There is no point in it. Also I'm not interested in any claimed history of SD prior to the 1960's. I just want to take a clinical look at the curriculum as it is now, and where its possibly headed.
And also, the idea that 'It is what It is', that may not be 100 years from now. Things have a funny way of changing for the better or the worst.
So what exactly are you getting at? I'm trying to get my head around that. Change to something incorrect, unless corrected by an acknowledged sourcehead, is still incorrect with changes. What again has your experience been with SD directly or otherwise?
Well as far as experience, I have 0% first hand experience in SD. I have seen it demonstrated. I have seen many videos, but as far as me having the opportunity to train in it myself, no haven't. I actually took the time to search the web and link several videos in this thread for discussion, which no one that I can remember took the time to discuss, LOL, as it relates to the idea that things evolve.
What I'm getting at, like I mentioned earlier and before that, is, its human nature to change things. I gave a few examples of martial arts that have done just that, within a span of 100 years or less.
I just want to take a clinical look at the curriculum as it is now, and where it could be years from now.
And to give you a better idea of how I look at SD, I would say this: I try to look at things with an open mind, objectively, to see not just the bad, but also the good. Not just good, but also the bad. Not just the lies, but also the truth. Not just the truth, but also the lies. I apply this same standard to all martial arts.
When I see a Hsing Yi form in SD, I don't see Hebei Hsing Yi, Shanxi Hsing Yi or Henan Hsing Yi. I just see SD Hsing Yi.
When I look at SD Tiger Crane Form, I don't see Hung Gar Tiger Crane, I just see SD Tiger Crane. Have the higher ups' in SD including Sin Kwang The' made false claims that many of the forms they teach are ancient forms from China, yes they have. I'm not debating that one bit, because they have made those false claims.
But I don't look at the lies, or what the forms are said to be or resemble or any of that. Because SD has done been 'busted'. There is nothing to prove in that field, its done out there, and everybody knows. But what I try to do, is look at SD FOR WHAT IT IS and what it isn't. I try to see what it is that they do well, and not just everything they do wrong.
And finally, whenever I try to have a discussion on a martial arts as a topic, I try my best to avoid from being like a over zealous martial art busting guy like on Bullshido, and I also try not to be the over zealous can't talk about traditional martial arts taboos guy. I just want discuss where SD is now, and where it's headed, without looking at bogus claims and looking at some of the morally corrupt hierarchy of SD. The thing I think most people are over looking is that the majority of SD practitioners are good people, who are trying to make the most of the training. Some ignore the nay sayers, and others have embraced the truth on things, and have either moved on, or continue to teach a modified version of the curriculum.
Anyway, thats all I'm looking for, is just a good analytical discussion on the topic.
