Scenario training...

[Tgace]

+1

One of the first simunition hurdles we hit (back in the day) was the "I'm out" factor. Experience playing painball and even childhood wargaming with bb guns, cap pistols etc...tends to ingrain the "play dead" thing in guys. They feel the pellet strike and act like the scenario is over and that they "lost".

In good scenarios the "good guy never dies..hit or not" you keep fighting till the "bad guys" die or the scenario is ended. That's how it is in the "real world"....you fight as long as you can fight. There's no "dying" until you die.

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[Jason]

"Scenario training is indeed a "laboratory" setting."

Good statement

 

[drop bear]

I agree with you completely. I think that the guys here who are discussing scenario training would also agree. For any kind of scenario training, there has to be intensity.

A lot of the scenarios we do are simply escapes. And you don't always succeed.

An example of a fight prep drill we use.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/75-mma/113976-mother-all-drills.html

 

[drop bear]

Scenario training isn't about the "fight" or how much you resist the student. You teach that on the mat/ring. Scenarios are about the strategy/tactics you employ to navigate through a "real worldish" type of environment.

Ive been through those "no win" style scenarios before, and in every one, it was about the egotistical ******* role player rather than any attempt to teach the student anything.

A scenario should be about trying to TEACH something vs an all out paintball game style competition IMO. For example...we had a scenario where we were trying to teach officers to call a known suspect OUT of a room and too them vs going into a room after a BG once you see him.

If the student called out the BG, the BG complied and then the SECOND person hiding in the room was found during the completion of the search. WIN. If the officers went in, both BG opened up on them. LOOSE.

There was a specific lesson being taught in the scenario....it wasn't about winning a gunfight. If the role players decided that they would "fight no matter what", the *******s would be removed from the training unit.

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They are doing scenarios instead of the mat or the ring though.

 

[Tgace]

They are doing scenarios instead of the mat or the ring though.

You don't know what scenario training is....

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[Kung Fu Wang]

What kind of scenario training do you do in order to

- safely move into your opponent without being kicked, kneed, punched, or elbowed?
- finish the fight ASAP?

Does the terms "entering strategy" and "finish strategy" have any meaning if all your concern is "self-defense" and not "sport"?

 

[Tgace]

What kind of scenario training do you do in order to

- safely move into your opponent without being kicked, kneed, punched, or elbowed?
- finish the fight ASAP?

Does the terms "entering strategy" and "finish strategy" have any meaning if all your concern is "self-defense" and not "sport"?

I don't think "scenario training" has the same meaning in a sport sense....that would be "drill" as I see things. Or "ring strategy".

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[drop bear]

You don't know what scenario training is....

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw

I did them in the ses.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7yclPZNKs

The original premis is that cs is an alternative to sparring or competition. And aparently a better one for skills development.

 

[Tgace]

The original premis is that cs is an alternative to sparring or competition. And aparently a better one for skills development.

Where was that "premise"?

Scenarios are not about martial arts technique training....no more than our LE scenarios are about firearms marksmanship l.

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[drop bear]

Where was that "premise"?

Scenarios are not about martial arts technique training....no more than our LE scenarios are about firearms marksmanship l.

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On another thread that pretty much started this. Combat scenarios are supposed to be all encompassing because the street or something.

First post mentions it.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/90-general-self-defense/114337-scenario-training.html

I did them for my security course. We all learnt goose necks and then had to do them in scenario.

Within about five seconds everybody was doing chokes.

Instructor said we were doing it wrong. Rather than it just doesn't work all that well when someone is fighting back

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y05Xf1FYlG8

 

[ballen0351]

On another thread that pretty much started this. Combat scenarios are supposed to be all encompassing because the street or something.

First post mentions it.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/90-general-self-defense/114337-scenario-training.html

I did them for my security course. We all learnt goose necks and then had to do them in scenario.

Within about five seconds everybody was doing chokes.

Instructor said we were doing it wrong.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y05Xf1FYlG8

Scenarios are not all encompassing. They are specific exercises with specific goals and objectives to look for.

 

[drop bear]

Scenarios are not all encompassing. They are specific wot specific goals and objectives to look for.

Yeah.


No kidding.

 

[ballen0351]

Yeah.


No kidding.

You seem to not know that

Combat scenarios are supposed to be all encompassing because the street or something.

 

[K-man]

A lot of the scenarios we do are simply escapes. And you don't always succeed.

An example of a fight prep drill we use.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/75-mma/113976-mother-all-drills.html

Sorry, but this is not scenario training to my mind. Your SES example was scenario as it is trying to create a real world situation. Training for the ring is training for the ring. Training when you are tired is training when you are tired. Nothing to do with scenario training.
:asian:

 

[drop bear]

You seem to not know that

Possibly all the people who told me that it was.

 

[drop bear]

Sorry, but this is not scenario training to my mind. Your SES example was scenario as it is trying to create a real world situation. Training for the ring is training for the ring. Training when you are tired is training when you are tired. Nothing to do with scenario training.
:asian:

They are scenarios.

You don't do mma. You wouldn't understand.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Be that as it may, the point we're trying to make, is if the person is a jerk ALL the time, the drill is counter productive.

Then it would just be a sparring/fighting drill and not scenario training.

 

[drop bear]

Then it would just be a sparring/fighting drill and not scenario training.

But then sparring would teach different skills to scenarios. You might even need both in whatever system you train.

The thing is if you are too easy then you fall in to that compliant drill trap. It becomes larp.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Everything I get on my instructor I have to fight for.

Doesn't he teach you any thing or just fight you?

Everything is earned.

Everything I got I earned.

 

[Tgace]

They are scenarios.

You don't do mma. You wouldn't understand.

If that's the case..you are misusing the term.

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