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Ceicei said:So when is the fight?
The fight is in May at the UFC I believe.
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Ceicei said:So when is the fight?
There's no allegedly about it. Look at the rule stipulations they've gotten for some of their Pride appearances. Royce will fight Judo dude, but only if there's unlimited time, blah blah blah....Jagermeister said:What kind of special rules do they allegedly demand?
Dragon Fist said:Seems that hardly anyone (besides a few) gives Royce Gracie much of chance against Hughes.
I will find it interesting if the fight hits the floor.
(if Hughes doesn't knock him out)
BJ Penn was a good BJJ guy and was able to sub Matt.
I'm sure that Hughes has worked on his submission defense since then. Still, this fight with Royce isn't going to be some cake walk for Matt.
Marginal said:There's no allegedly about it. Look at the rule stipulations they've gotten for some of their Pride appearances. Royce will fight Judo dude, but only if there's unlimited time, blah blah blah....
Jagermeister said:So is that it - that sometimes they got an exception to the normal time rules? I'm just curious what the specific rule changes have been in the past. Can you enlighten me? "Blah blah blah" just isn't specific enough for me.
By the way, do you guys remember how boring the first rematch between shamrock and royce was? It was like half an hour, basically spent the whole time in the guard, and ended in a draw. Pretty boring, if I remember correctly. Man, that was a long time ago.
Jagermeister said:If UFC was a Gracie invention, you can't really call BS on them for the choice of rules in the early stages. Back then it was pretty much anything goes. Now the rules are much more favorable for grapplers, e.g. the limitations on kicks, knees, blows to the back of head and neck, particularly on down opponents. So if there is commotion now over specific rules for Gracies, that might warrant the BS charge, but I don't think anyone can honestly say the choice of rules in the early stages of UFC was shifted in the favor of BJJ guys.
By the way, the only specific rules that I've seen posted so far are time-related rules. I think it's unfair to flame them so hard if this is the only rule change that they lobby for.
I'm amazed that so many people have so little faith in the Gracies these days. Is this a backlash to the popular 90's idea that to be a Gracie is to be unbeatable?
Jagermeister said:1)If UFC was a Gracie invention, you can't really call BS on them for the choice of rules in the early stages. Back then it was pretty much anything goes. Now the rules are much more favorable for grapplers, e.g. the limitations on kicks, knees, blows to the back of head and neck, particularly on down opponents.2) So if there is commotion now over specific rules for Gracies, that might warrant the BS charge, but I don't think anyone can honestly say the choice of rules in the early stages of UFC was shifted in the favor of BJJ guys. By the way, the only specific rules that I've seen posted so far are time-related rules. I think it's unfair to flame them so hard if this is the only rule change that they lobby for.
I'm amazed that so many people have so little faith in the Gracies these days. Is this a backlash to the popular 90's idea that to be a Gracie is to be unbeatable? And for the record, I still believe that Hughes will win by decision, or we'll have a draw.
Jagermeister said:Marginal - it sounds like you know quite a bit about this, and honestly this is the first I've really heard much of it. Can you tell me more about the seeding thing you described previously? Is this confirmed that there was a "fix" in that respect?