Royce Gracie believes BJJ Competitions aren't helpful for Self Defese (video)

Yep! Probably less than 1%.

Sometimes it has described me and at others it hasn't. I feel like I'm usually in or close to the top 1% of my peer group in this regard and my peer group includes a larger than average number of martial arts enthusiasts. That being said, depending on my employment and other life demands, over the course of my life I have been many combinations of in and out of sufficient shape and in and out of sufficient practice with the basic techniques I've learned to feel confident I could successfully deal with a determined attacker.
The physical element is certainly important, but I think the mental component is more important. Getting used to violence is not an easy thing for most people, and why should it be? It's awful. Luckily, (or maybe, unluckily) some occupations expose you to it on a regular basis.

What we always tried to do in the dojo, was push people physically throughout their training career. Then add components of mental pressures through surprise scenarios. I adhere to the belief that your training should be more physically and mentally challenging than anything you experience other than an actual self defense situation in real life.

If you never have to push yourself in the dojo, or deal with any fear or mental pressure, being in a dangerous and frightening scenario outside may not go the way you hope.

I mean, you don't push people all at once from the beginning, that wouldn't be of any help. And if you match them up for any sort of sparring, obviously you pair them accordingly to help them grow. Once they've grown, you throw them to the wolves. Everybody should spar with everybody, especially sparring people bigger, stronger, faster, smarter and more experienced than you.

Martial Arts is a physically demanding undertaking. I think it should be.
 
He's right. A far cry from anything remotely relevant to it. The same can be said of most content in martial arts in general, though.
Big difference is that BJJ was originally designed to be a sport from the beginning. Ground fighting on the streets is going to include striking, which BJJ does not. I've seen videos of a new style called "Combat BJJ" that corrects this, and is designed for self-defense.
 
Big difference is that BJJ was originally designed to be a sport from the beginning. Ground fighting on the streets is going to include striking, which BJJ does not. I've seen videos of a new style called "Combat BJJ" that corrects this, and is designed for self-defense.
Slapjitsu.
 
Competitions, self defense , fighting ect.

People train for many things.

He talks about "competitive mind set "



I confronted Ryron Gracie from ‪@GracieBreakdown‬ to learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for self-defense vs. sport.



This happened in my home town many yrs back


A world champion Thai-style kickboxer was shot to death in the middle of a busy San Francisco street Friday after he chased down a hit-and-run driver who had slammed into his parked car minutes earlier.

Happened to stop by his gym a week before this happened wondering if taiji might fit into their syllabus.
Spoke to Alex, the gym owner, the guy who was shot..

" nice guy" ,

He kinda laughed....at the thought.
We both did at the time, a week later he was shot...

His training to fight.
Self defense, not to fight.
 
Competitions, self defense , fighting ect.

People train for many things.

He talks about "competitive mind set "







This happened in my home town many yrs back




Happened to stop by his gym a week before this happened wondering if taiji might fit into their syllabus.
Spoke to Alex, the gym owner, the guy who was shot..

" nice guy" ,

He kinda laughed....at the thought.
We both did at the time, a week later he was shot...

His training to fight.
Self defense, not to fight.
My buddy was a student of Alex. It was a tragedy. Alex was a talented coach and wonderful person. RIP.
 
Let's put the worst professional competition grappler against the best self defence guy.
 
Let's put the worst professional competition grappler against the best self defence guy.

😂 good which one?
Many SD people have ccw permits

Competition, self-defense

Different game or mind set
Depending on how one looks at it
 
Let's put the worst professional competition grappler against the best self defence guy.
How do you define "the best self-defense guy"? Are you talking about something that doesn't exist in the real world?

Assume there is someone that can be called as "the best SD guy".

- What skills does he train?
- How does he train?
- How does he test?
- What make him to be "the best SD guy"?

A: Dear master! Is X good in MA?
B: X is pretty good. He has 24-3 under his belt.
A: Is Y good in MA?
B: Don't know. I have never met Y in any tournament.
 
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You can see something similar in western sport foil fencing, in which the flexible blade can be cast, like a fishing rod, to make bending flick attacks that are hard to defend against. It's not something that would work with a real blade in combat
I noticed this watching the Olympics this summer. Don't know when the new design came into play. When I was fencing (around 1980) the foil was quite rigid. Without the button would have been an effective weapon. This new type of foil is a game changer in terms of tactics.

From a TMA point of view, I think this takes it a bit further away from simulating true combat. I'm guessing (since I've never used this new foil) that it would allow more of a "stand-off" attack requiring less physical penetration (for body and weapon) and mental commitment (something vital to have in real combat). This is kind of counter to the mindset one would have in TMA such as karate or iaijutsu.

I'm sure it's still a fun sport, but I don't think it would be as satisfying for me as it once was.
 
Let's put the worst professional competition grappler against the best self defence guy.
I get it.

The best competitor is probably much better at self-defense than best the self-defense guy is at competition.

A self-defense guy only needs to be able to fend off hoodlums on the streets. He's not competing against the best of the best in the world for championships.
 
Obviously his opinion counts for a lot more than mine does, but the few times I've had to get physical with people, the grappling I learned in judo has been much more useful than striking. The problem with punching and kicking people is that it tends to escalate things.
 
Obviously his opinion counts for a lot more than mine does, but the few times I've had to get physical with people, the grappling I learned in judo has been much more useful than striking. The problem with punching and kicking people is that it tends to escalate things.
Agree with you 100% on this. If you

- knock your opponent down, he may sue you.
- push your opponent away, he may come back to you again.
- lift your opponent off the ground and then gently put him down, he will have no desire to fight you after that.
 
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I just came across this video and wanted to get some conversation going on this. I'm curious about how other people in the BJJ community feel about his remarks. Five-minute video below.

I've seen this video before. And I partly agree with him but not fully. I think he is referring to butt scooting jiu jitsu, stuff like berimbolo, worm guard and other techniques only good for sport. There's 2 main camps right now possibly 3 in bjj, you have the guys who only teach and train for sport, then you have the guys who strictly only train for self defense, then you have the 3rd camp which most of the schools I used to train at fall into and that is: we teach self defense techniques and strategies to all our students, but once they learn that we focus primarily on sport and competition. I've personally competed in both judo and bjj and I think it's worth doing once or at least a few times if you train bjj. Yes it's a sport, but it's a rough sport. Nothing like 2 200lbs men trying to fight each other into submission at 100% intensity. I think white belt and blue belt divisions are the closest to real fights out of all the belt divisions. There's more focus on winning by brute force and some technique in those divisions. If you do good competing at white or blue in no gi, restraining a belligerent person is much easier with that experience. Bouncers should compete in white and blue belt divisions and practice restraining people. White and blue are average Joe's.
 
Maybe or maybe end of the day who cares. I mean I’m 28 years old if I end up in a street fight I’ve made a lot of mistakes leading up to it. I don’t train to take people out in the streets I train for fun so whether anything I do is good or not good for self defence I really don’t care.
 
Maybe or maybe end of the day who cares. I mean I’m 28 years old if I end up in a street fight I’ve made a lot of mistakes leading up to it. I don’t train to take people out in the streets I train for fun so whether anything I do is good or not good for self defence I really don’t care.
And that's perfectly valid. I'm a sportsman. I wouldn't ever actually hurt another human being given any other option. I just like fighting.
 
Isn't Royce Gracies grounding in self defence based on competition?
 
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