Gather and Release

[Appledog]

1. Gathering and Releasing
To throw the switch, slow and even.
To penetrate the core, gather and release.
To disperse the soul, indulge in sounds and colors.
To reveal the truth, shatter the illusions and.

2. Chen Style Taiji Tu

What is the Taijitu and what does it mean?
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d) All of the above

Your Answer:


3. The Story of Mr. Ancestral Tablet
Chen Changxing, a key figure in the history of Tai Chi Chuan, is renowned for his contributions to the development and refinement of the art. Born in Chen Village, Henan Province, China, in the late 18th century, Chen Changxing belonged to the illustrious Chen family, which was known for its expertise in martial arts.

Chen Changxing's story intertwines historical accounts with legends and myths, making it a captivating tale in the realm of martial arts lore. His life and legacy have left an indelible mark on the evolution of Tai Chi Chuan.

Chen Changxing grew up immersed in the rich martial arts tradition of Chen Village, where his family had practiced martial arts for generations. He learned the Chen family's martial arts forms from an early age, mastering their techniques with dedication and discipline.

One of the distinguishing features of Chen Changxing's martial arts practice was his stiff and upright posture, earning him the nickname "Mr. Ancestral Tablet." His formidable presence and mastery of martial arts techniques made him a respected figure in the community.

Some schools of thought suggest that Chen Changxing was a maverick who practiced and taught a style of martial art that was not part of the Chen Family martial arts tradition, and that was passed to him either directly or indirectly from a tai chi master known as Jiang Fa. Some other schools of thought suggest that Chen Changxing re-worked two or more of the traditional Chen Family routines into his own style and then taught it to Yang Luchan and others. Both schools successfully explain why the tai chi that Yang Luchan's descendants now practice is substantially different from the modern Chen routines, but neither theory can be completely substantiated and thus much controversy remains. At the same time, the members of the Chen clan believe that not much changed in Chen tai chi from the times preceding Chen Changxing, nor after him besides, perhaps, the sequence of the movements and their grouping in to the forms. The differences between Chen tai chi and other big styles are mostly attributed to the independent development of non-Chen styles in the modern and pre-modern eras. The visual representation of the Sun style, for instance, looks strikingly different from the Yang style, which in its turn mirrors the Chen style to a high degree, both in the appearance and movements names.

However, today the truth can be revealed. Legend has it that Chen Changxing's journey took a transformative turn when he encountered the inner teachings of tai chi. The knowledge of Tai Chi principles was imparted to Chen Changxing, emphasizing the importance of softness, relaxation, and internal energy cultivation.

Under this guidance, Chen Changxing underwent a profound transformation in his martial arts practice. He embraced the principles of Tai Chi Chuan, incorporating fluid and circular movements, as well as the cultivation of qi (vital energy) and the concept of yielding to overcome force.

Chen Changxing's innovative approach to martial arts led to the development of what is now known as Chen-style Tai Chi Chuan. He synthesized traditional Chen family martial arts with the principles of Tai Chi, creating a unique and effective system of self-defense and health cultivation. It is speculated that he is the forerunner who combined the original sets of Chen Family Hongquan (etc.) into Yilu and Erlu, basing the forms on the Chen family martial arts, but adding and emphasizing the internal skills he had learned.

After this profound creation of Yilu and Erlu, Chen Changxing was no longer known as Mr. Ancestral Tablet! His contributions to Tai Chi Chuan extended beyond his own practice. He became a renowned teacher, sharing his knowledge and expertise with his disciples and students in Chen Village and beyond. His teachings spread throughout China, influencing the practice of Tai Chi Chuan for generations to come.

Despite his considerable influence and contributions, Chen Changxing's life was not without challenges. During his time, martial arts were often suppressed by the ruling authorities, and practitioners faced persecution. Chen Changxing navigated these turbulent times with resilience and perseverance, steadfastly preserving and transmitting the art of Tai Chi Chuan.

Chen Changxing's legacy endures to this day, revered by practitioners of Tai Chi Chuan around the world. His teachings continue to inspire and guide generations of martial artists, embodying the timeless principles of balance, harmony, and self-cultivation inherent in Tai Chi philosophy.

In the annals of martial arts history, Chen Changxing stands as a testament to the transformative power of dedication, wisdom, and the pursuit of excellence. His story serves as a beacon of inspiration for all who seek to embark on the path of martial arts mastery and inner cultivation.

 

[Teapot]

".... today the truth can be revealed."

"Legend has it that..."

 

[Same Trick]

. During his time, martial arts were often suppressed by the ruling authorities, and practitioners faced persecution.

Is this right ? Where can one read about that ?

 

[Buka]

Is this right ? Where can one read about that ?

There were a couple of times in Okinawa’s history where Martial Arts training was banned.

When I was in South Africa in the nineteen eighties you couldn’t train Martial Arts if you were black. Black people had to train in hiding. So when we found out we immediately went and helped them train.

There’s probably other places.

 

[Same Trick]

There were a couple of times in Okinawa’s history where Martial Arts training was banned.

When I was in South Africa in the nineteen eighties you couldn’t train Martial Arts if you were black. Black people had to train in hiding. So when we found out we immediately went and helped them train.

There’s probably other places.

Yes sure, however that’s Okinawa….and South Africa…. And actually in Sweden(where I’m from)in the 70’s talks on banning certain martial arts(those involved kicking and weapons(nunchackus)) were on the agenda.

Anyway , Chen Changxing(1771-1853) although the particulars of his family boxing(Chen family boxing) was a closely held secret only to be taught within the family, he supposedly did openly write on martial taktics, he also ran a bodyguard/escort business operating in several provinces….and he actually broke with tradition and taught the family boxing to outsiders.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Is this right ? Where can one read about that ?

China has a history of suppressing martial arts. We saw this behavior most recently when the "kung fu master vs MMA" videos came out. The government began to suppress martial arts again. Other governments have done similar things but not to the same extent as China. China seems to be more willing to destroy the fighting systems and not just suppress it.

The fear is always the same. If the citizens know how to fight, then they can revolt against the ruling class. Capoeira has a similar history.

Anyway , Chen Changxing(1771-1853) although the particulars of his family boxing(Chen family boxing) was a closely held secret only to be taught within the family, he supposedly did openly write on martial taktics, he also ran a bodyguard/escort business operating in several provinces….and he actually broke with tradition and taught the family boxing to outsiders.

Other systems are like this as well where they were taught to outsiders. There's an old saying "If you want to learn kung fu then don't go to China." This is in reference to those who left China and taught family systems outside of China. The best way to ensure that a system survives is to teach outsiders. It's a numbers game. The more you can spread a system the better chances it will have of surviving. This is the same concept as martial arts schools. If you want the system and the school to survive then you'll want to spread, it to enough people who can keep it alive and pass it to others.

Jow Ga Kung Fu is a "Family System" Their saying is "Spread Jow Ga"

 

[Same Trick]

China has a history of suppressing martial arts. We saw this behavior most recently when the "kung fu master vs MMA" videos came out. The government began to suppress martial arts again. Other governments have done similar things but not to the same extent as China. China seems to be more willing to destroy the fighting systems and not just suppress it.

The fear is always the same. If the citizens know how to fight, then they can revolt against the ruling class. Capoeira has a similar history.

Other systems are like this as well where they were taught to outsiders. There's an old saying "If you want to learn kung fu then don't go to China." This is in reference to those who left China and taught family systems outside of China. The best way to ensure that a system survives is to teach outsiders. It's a numbers game. The more you can spread a system the better chances it will have of surviving. This is the same concept as martial arts schools. If you want the system and the school to survive then you'll want to spread, it to enough people who can keep it alive and pass it to others.

Jow Ga Kung Fu is a "Family System" Their saying is "Spread Jow Ga"

Sure, but I was arguing about the claim Chen Changxing was suppressed in teaching martial arts, he might have been, but then I’ll guess only from his own clan.
I’ll, never heard/read he was suppressed by government as the OP seem to say, I asked for source I can read about that.


Hmmm. I live in China i see no suppression of martial arts around me

 

[JowGaWolf]

but then I’ll guess only from his own clan

This is possible as well. It happens.

I live in China i see no suppression of martial arts around me

You may be used to it so it could be normal for you. Or you could be in an area that is not affected by it. Or things may have changed since the MMA fighter beat up on Kung fu masters.

I wished I saved that article that had the Chinese government's response about what Chinese Martial Arts is supposed to be about. They basically said that it was for for health and not for fighting. Which is what I heard in the past. I also hear the same comment from. Older Chinese Americans who used to live in China. That Chinese martial arts are for health.

My issue with that statement is that techniques for groin kicks, sword, knife, joint locks, and arms breaks doesn't sound healthy.

I have also heard of stories from old Chinese teachers in the past about the suppression. But if you live in China and say that it's not happening then I can only take your word that's it doesn't happen in your area.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Hmmm. I live in China i see no suppression of martial arts around me

You may be able to clarify some things.
Is this true?
"Chinese government regulate martial arts competitions and events to ensure they align with cultural and national values. Traditional martial arts are often promoted to preserve cultural heritage and foster patriotism"

"While these contests are not illegal, they are closely monitored, and the government may intervene if they believe the events undermine traditional values or public order"

"Regulation: The Chinese government issued directives to regulate martial arts competitions and events, ensuring they align with cultural and national values"

These type of things are things that I heard as far back as 20 years ago about how Martial arts were viewed in China.

 

[windwalker099]

These type of things are things that I heard as far back as 20 years ago about how Martial arts were viewed in China

The China of today is markedly different from the China of 20 years ago and from the often simplistic portrayals in mainstream media as merely communist.

Anyone who has spent some time in China would quickly notice these differences.

Different groups, whether religious or otherwise, have at times sought to disrupt society. This is mentioned here not for political reasons but to provide context on how movements in China have historically emerged.

All of the old teachers went through this period. Some left or went underground.
The people found a way to survive this, as my teacher did.

For 4 years he studied Taiji until his master was nowhere to be found when the Culture Revolution had disturbed the society and the daily life of everyone. Master Zhang secretly practised Taiji by himself during this hard time.
In 1980 he started teaching. Master Zhang to this day has kept his promise to tell no one his teacher’s name. His master had passed a code to him: to teach but not for money.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Different groups, whether religious or otherwise, have at times sought to disrupt society.

Thie term "disrupt society" probably needs to be defined. This term for me is a negative one. For me this is an "anti-government" term. Is this how you are using it?

 

[windwalker099]

Thie term "disrupt society" probably needs to be defined. This term for me is a negative one. For me this is an "anti-government" term. Is this how you are using it?

Without delving into the politics of the matter, "disrupt society" is meant to refer to "anti-government" actions.

Much of the development in Chinese martial arts (CMA) was in response to historical events and technical advancements. It will be interesting to see how CMA styles evolve through participation in Sanda and MMA competitions.

Most of the focus has been on "preserving" Chinese martial arts (CMA) as cultural artifacts of the past. Sometimes practitioners make the mistake of stepping into ring competitions without making modifications based on ruleset , or type of match.

In most cases not a good outcome.

 

[JowGaWolf]

It will be interesting to see how CMA styles evolve through participation in Sanda and MMA competitions.

The only thing I've seen so far in terms of this is that CMA systems are focusing more on application now than they did in the past. They had their wake-up call and now understand that they cannot ride on the success that earlier teachers were able to make for themselves.

Just knowing the forms is not enough any more. I know when I was teaching one of the biggest things that made people comfortable with joining the school for training was my ability to use Jow Ga. The same statement was made by the head of the Jow Ga Organization in Maryland. He told his students that knowing just the form is not enough. "You have to learn the application too." This was something that he could no longer ignore. Especially after the MMA vs Kung Fu master drama. CMA should see a significant boost if CMA practitioners trust the techniques and train System A vs System B.

The fact that MMA is pulling off TMA techniques is a big win for martial arts in general.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

The fact that MMA is pulling off TMA techniques is a big win for martial arts in general.

I'd rephrase that a little bit.

MMA has always used TMA techniques, from its very inception. The change is that over time a larger and larger subset of TMA techniques have been successfully employed.

I'd attribute this to two factors:

1) Practitioners from more arts putting in the work to actually learn how to fight. (Testing themselves against resistance/testing against other styles/developing pro-fighter athleticism/cross-training to shore up the gaps in their style)

2) Established fighters (from a variety of backgrounds) exploring different traditional arts to discover what ideas they can adapt to use in their personal fighting styles* without being concerned about the "purity" of whatever arts they may have trained or trying to prove that their particular system has all the answers.

*(In this context I am referring to the fighting style of the individual fighter, not the formal martial art(s) they may have been trained in.)

 

[windwalker099]

*(In this context I am referring to the fighting style of the individual fighter, not the formal martial art(s) they may have been trained in.)

very much agree...

Those claiming to represent a formal martial style often are not.
Those with skill, I’ve met don’t care much for publicity or competitive venues.

 

[JowGaWolf]

MMA has always used TMA techniques, from its very inception. The change is that over time a larger and larger subset of TMA techniques have been successfully employed.

This is what I was trying to highlight. Not that they weren't using TMA it but that they were using more of it. Their "Technique Bank" has increased. Unlike sports like boxing, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. MMA has not "condensed into "MMA techniques" They are always looking for something new and unfamiliar to attack their opponent with.

1) Practitioners from more arts putting in the work to actually learn how to fight.

This is the biggest advantage of what they do. They must use it, where many of us fall into the category of "Probably won't need it." If a person has to use drive a large truck then it's something they will work to get used to. But if we don't need to drive a large truck. Then it turns into "How well can I drive that truck, if one day I had to." For most martial artists, especially in Kung Fu, this is a reality that is often never addressed beyond drills.

2) Established fighters (from a variety of backgrounds) exploring different traditional arts to discover what ideas they can adapt to use in their personal fighting styles* without being concerned about the "purity" of whatever arts they may have trained or trying to prove that their particular system has all the answers.

The "Purity" mindset is a strange one. Every purity argument I've heard had nothing to do with function. It always was like some kind of OCD behavior where it had to be done one way, or it didn't count as being that system.

Those with skill, I’ve met don’t care much for publicity or competitive venues.

Those with skill that I've met were always function based and often have more of a practical attitude about martial arts. It's always refreshing to hear older martial artists who focused on function talk about how what they see today is different from how they were trained and taught. They cut out a lot of the fluff and glamour of martial arts.

I do wish those same type of people would do a few competitions. It doesn't have to be a year's worth but two or three sparring matches just so that the rest of us can see how they set up the techniques. It would definitely help to remove some of the guess work.

Things I would put in a time machine to send back to myself. Winning lotto numbers and my videos of me sparring and using Jow Ga. I could have saved 5 years worth of training errors with what I know now.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Those with skill, I’ve met don’t care much for publicity or competitive venues.

My teacher always said, "If you don't spar/wrestle for 3 days, your hands/legs will no longer be yours."

How can those people "maintain" their skill/ability without testing against different opponents?

 

[windwalker099]

My teacher always said, "If you don't spar/wrestle for 3 days, your hands/legs will no longer be yours."

How can those people "maintain" their skill/ability without testing against different opponents?

What makes you think they don't?

My teacher's group in Beijing had many visitors from different styles stopping by to pay their respects, test their methods, etc.
Some of the senior students held an informal "fight club" in the evenings.

A mistake to think these guys, or anyone with skill who is not very public,
does not test their skills.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

What makes you think they don't?

I just want to point out the following is impossible.

You go to the mountain top and train MA for 10 years alone. 10 years later you come down from the mountain top and become the best fighter on earth.

 

[windwalker099]

I just want to point out the following is impossible.

You go to the mountain top and train MA for 10 years alone. 10 years later you come down from the mountain top and become the best fighter on earth.

Don't know what its supposed to mean...

Mass Oyama..

He set out to spend three years on Mt. Minobu in Yamanashi Prefecture, Japan. Oyama built a shack on the side of the mountain.