Reputation System Reset Pending...Dec 07

[shesulsa]

What’s the point of having a rep system at all?

To give people something to argue and gripe about ... you know ... instead of global warning, abortion, seed loans in Africa, decay of democracy and civil liberties in America, voting, dirty oceans and waning oceanic species, the constant dwindling of the rainforests, global economics and product safety, clean drinking water, useless wars in the middle east, the anti-christ, glass ceilings, population control, stem cell research, human cloning and future rights of future clones, the impact of space travel on the environment, socioeconomic impact of teen parents, what's in your boogers and why you shouldn't eat them, the morality of the Body Worlds exhibits, the impact of the loss of TMAs on social and psychological development on the world as a whole, avoiding the need for prosthetic joints and lipid control medications, the future of the Bujinkan, Hapkido, TKD in the western world, the splitoff of jiujutsu from judo, why the Gracies studied TMAs and their followers scoff them, flies, butterflies, moths, cockroaches, the rampant rodent issue on the east coast, destruction of the reptilian populations, feet problems with martial artists ....

Reputation appears to have a similar quality to money or sex - if you have a lot of it you don't really think about it but try to dish it out once in a while and find reasons to argue about it. If you don't have a lot of it it's easy to complain about and find reasons to argue about it. If you don't have any, it's easy to covet and find ways to beg for it, steal it and find reasons to argue about it. But whether we like it or not, we all have to deal with the fact that it's out there. If it weren't, there would still be a general, underlying system of reputation.

Truth = Perspective
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[Bob Hubbard]

But why has the whole system to be resetted?

I mean, as I don't post a lot and my posts hardly stand out on this HUGE forum, I'm proud of every reputation point I receive (not the individual points but the comments - only now I realize that the amount of those green 'blips' in my user CP isn't the amount of points) and now they are going to disappear .

However, I do understand that it's probably the best thing to do, but I still think it's a pity.

Look at it this way. It's inflation run wild, and to fix it, we're switching to a new currency, and leveling the playing field. We're also putting in new restrictions to keep inflation at bay for the long haul.

 

[Bigshadow]

Let's just let our usernames be our reputation...

 

[Tames D]

Look at it this way. It's inflation run wild, and to fix it, we're switching to a new currency, and leveling the playing field. We're also putting in new restrictions to keep inflation at bay for the long haul.

Shouldn't the post count be re-set to zero? When new members come on board and see someone with 10,000 posts and only 3 green squares, they won't know the system has been changed and that this guy/gal use to have 11 gold stars. They will think this guy/gal with 10,000 posts has a lousy reputation.

 

[Kacey]

Shouldn't the post count be re-set to zero? When new members come on board and see someone with 10,000 posts and only 3 green squares, they won't know the system has been changed and that this guy use to have 11 gold stars. They will think this guy with 10,000 posts has a lousy reputation.

I don't see a real problem there. The pips will be relative to each other throughout the board - someone coming new may just as easily think that the rep system was newly begun, rather than newly reset.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Only way to reset post count would be to make all forums not count. It's an all or none thing.

But, I can set it so that staff areas, and non-art forums aren't counted....would kill the points from the last person thread though, lol.

 

[arnisador]

would kill the points from the last person thread though

Heh, that'd decrease some people's rep. power!

(Hey, stop looking at me!)

 

[theletch1]

We did some spring cleaning a few years back and folks lost hundreds of posts on their count. You've never heard such hell raising in all your life...well, except for the re-setting of the rep points, that is. I'd rather have my rep reset than my post count. Rep is just a rough rule of what others thought of your posts. The post count is actually a flag of how much time you put in on the board regardless of what others think. The best way to get your rep back up after the re-set is to post often and make them quality posts. Fluff posts are great for chit chatting but the art specific forums will carry more weight. Everyone is here because they are martial artists and were looking for a place to discuss those arts. Spend more time posting in the arts forums with good, solid posts and the chance that others will add to your positive rep increases.

 

[Sukerkin]

Like I said earlier, that kind of philosophy is alright in theory until you realise that those of us who acquired a fair amount of rep in shortish order (and I count myself in that number) did so by making considered and structured posts that laid out our opinions to those who'd not heard them before.

Take that rep away and I, for one, will never gain it back for I shall not make those insightful (in others eyes) posts again. So, in the sight of new members joining up, I shall be a chap with a thousand odd posts who never said anything worthwhile - so how did he ever get to be a Mentor?

That saddens me - there's a Shao-Lin Temple insult in there somewhere I'm sure.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Interesting point.

Maybe the solution is to wait 1 month before locking out older posts from reping to allow people a chance to reacknowledge them?

 

[MA-Caver]

Like I said earlier, that kind of philosophy is alright in theory until you realise that those of us who acquired a fair amount of rep in shortish order (and I count myself in that number) did so by making considered and structured posts that laid out our opinions to those who'd not heard them before.

Take that rep away and I, for one, will never gain it back for I shall not make those insightful (in others eyes) posts again. So, in the sight of new members joining up, I shall be a chap with a thousand odd posts who never said anything worthwhile - so how did he ever get to be a Mentor?

That saddens me - there's a Shao-Lin Temple insult in there somewhere I'm sure.

On this I agree. While I'm known more for my sense of humor and been repped accordingly I've alsobeen honored :asian: with rep-points for my own expressed opinion(s) on serious matters regarding our world and the arts that we love so much. I too would hate to see that go away.

 

[terryl965]

I look at it like this I was never like in the first place my writing skills sucks and I have been able to stay here long enough to be here. I will alwys be here just liketraining people no matter what other school say around here about me I'm still here, teaching and having one of the best places foe training my knowledge is second to no one, saying it by writing it is last to everyone. Can we kust talk over the phone where I can make sense.

 

[jks9199]

Like I said earlier, that kind of philosophy is alright in theory until you realise that those of us who acquired a fair amount of rep in shortish order (and I count myself in that number) did so by making considered and structured posts that laid out our opinions to those who'd not heard them before.

Take that rep away and I, for one, will never gain it back for I shall not make those insightful (in others eyes) posts again. So, in the sight of new members joining up, I shall be a chap with a thousand odd posts who never said anything worthwhile - so how did he ever get to be a Mentor?

That saddens me - there's a Shao-Lin Temple insult in there somewhere I'm sure.

Personally, I think people who make it a habit of writing good, interesting, rep-worthy posts will accumulate rep again. If it's that huge an issue ('cause I'd go nuts trying to go back and re-rep people!), maybe there's some way that, instead of a total reset or dropping everyone down to 10 points or whatever it is Bob's gonna do -- he can give people some reasonable percentage of their current rep? Maybe 1 point for every 100 or 1000 points they currently have... As I write, I've got 96000 and change; that'd give me either 960 or 96 points respectively, as an example.

 

[MBuzzy]

I figure that those with high reps have them for a reason....no matter how they got them, they'll get there again. People don't get high rep for a good post here and there - they get it because they have a habit of making good posts. Plus, to those already here, your reputation isn't a bunch of pips...it exists whether those pips are there or not. So again....they'll get it back - not as quickly, but I strongly feel that the stronger rep people will STILL be the stronger rep people.

Although, as JKS said...is it possible to give people a percentage of their current rep? I know its been discussed, just not sure if it was shot down or not.

 

[terryl965]

You know really these reps and things are great, but seriously my rep comes from those I train and those that have got to meet me and see for themself that I know something who know what. I have been around a long time in the martial arts cuommunity and I will still be here on MT even if I have no reps. People Like me they really really like me or so I think so anyway

 

[tshadowchaser]

I could care less one way or another. I post because I have somethng to say or ask.
I give rep points because I like a post or thought but if the rep system was not there I would still like the same post

 

[theletch1]

I could care less one way or another. I post because I have somethng to sa or ask.
I give rep points because I like a post or thought but if the rep system was not there I would still like the same post

Exactly. In fact, if we didn't have the rep system I'd answer your post with the word..."Exactly" instead of with pos rep. That's one of the reasons for the rep system in the first place, I believe. It saves on the ad nauseum "I agree" posts that tend to show up in-thread.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Interesting point.

Maybe the solution is to wait 1 month before locking out older posts from reping to allow people a chance to reacknowledge them?

I like this idea. I know you were talking about a percentage count as well. Is it possible to have a sliding scale for the older posts? i.e. if it is not 100% then it does not count? Such as someone who may post a really nice thread/post in the Locker room that might have a 50% rating, would not count, but something in the any of the art sections would count.

It is just an idea. It could be implemented even with the % multiplier, I was just thinking out loud.

 

[Xue Sheng]

To give people something to argue and gripe about ... you know ... instead of global warning, abortion, seed loans in Africa, decay of democracy and civil liberties in America, voting, dirty oceans and waning oceanic species, the constant dwindling of the rainforests, global economics and product safety, clean drinking water, useless wars in the middle east, the anti-christ, glass ceilings, population control, stem cell research, human cloning and future rights of future clones, the impact of space travel on the environment, socioeconomic impact of teen parents, what's in your boogers and why you shouldn't eat them, the morality of the Body Worlds exhibits, the impact of the loss of TMAs on social and psychological development on the world as a whole, avoiding the need for prosthetic joints and lipid control medications, the future of the Bujinkan, Hapkido, TKD in the western world, the splitoff of jiujutsu from judo, why the Gracies studied TMAs and their followers scoff them, flies, butterflies, moths, cockroaches, the rampant rodent issue on the east coast, destruction of the reptilian populations, feet problems with martial artists ....

Reputation appears to have a similar quality to money or sex - if you have a lot of it you don't really think about it but try to dish it out once in a while and find reasons to argue about it. If you don't have a lot of it it's easy to complain about and find reasons to argue about it. If you don't have any, it's easy to covet and find ways to beg for it, steal it and find reasons to argue about it. But whether we like it or not, we all have to deal with the fact that it's out there. If it weren't, there would still be a general, underlying system of reputation.

Truth = Perspective​

WHAT!!! Animal rights and the plight of the Hump Back Whale are not IMPORTANT to you to put in the list :uhyeah:

I think I understand what you are trying to say :asian:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Personally, I think people who make it a habit of writing good, interesting, rep-worthy posts will accumulate rep again. If it's that huge an issue ('cause I'd go nuts trying to go back and re-rep people!), maybe there's some way that, instead of a total reset or dropping everyone down to 10 points or whatever it is Bob's gonna do -- he can give people some reasonable percentage of their current rep? Maybe 1 point for every 100 or 1000 points they currently have... As I write, I've got 96000 and change; that'd give me either 960 or 96 points respectively, as an example.

Exactly. In fact, if we didn't have the rep system I'd answer your post with the word..."Exactly" instead of with pos rep. That's one of the reasons for the rep system in the first place, I believe. It saves on the ad nauseum "I agree" posts that tend to show up in-thread.

I like this idea. I know you were talking about a percentage count as well. Is it possible to have a sliding scale for the older posts? i.e. if it is not 100% then it does not count? Such as someone who may post a really nice thread/post in the Locker room that might have a 50% rating, would not count, but something in the any of the art sections would count.

It is just an idea. It could be implemented even with the % multiplier, I was just thinking out loud.

It's a thought, but I think it'd have to be done manually and be labor intensive.