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[Kung Fu Wang]

So far, no one seems willing to address the theories, which might help explain many of the reactions.

Your "theory" such as:

Peng Jin (棚劲): Expanding force
An Jin (按劲): Pressing force
Cai Jin (采劲): Plucking force
Lie Jin (裂劲): Splitting force

are neither a striking skill nor a throwing skill. It's not that interested to discuss about it.

Anybody does

1. long fist "Cai Da" - block/grab/pull and punch,
2. PM "Gou Lou Cai Shou" - switch hands,
3. JowGa "Control hand" - as JowGaWolf has described.
4. Taiji "cloud hands"

all know what "Cai" is. If they train those drills, they will develop "Cai Jin".

This is why I always ask people, "Is Taiji the only MA system that you train?" Because if you only look at from the Taiji point of view, "Cai Jin" sounds like something special. But if you look at from general CMA point of view, "Cai" is just "common sense" and not much to talk about it.

 

[windwalker099]

Your "theory" such as:

It's not my theory; it's a theory that some use to explain their practices. There is a commonality between the theories of the teachers demonstrated in this thread, which they use to explain their practice.

are neither a striking skill nor a throwing skill. It's not that interested to discuss about it.

Of course not, it's the energy "jin" expressed within the movement , regardless of the movement itself.

Your explanation of Peng Jin (棚劲): Expanding force, is different from the way I explain and use it.
as is your idea of body unification. To understand why it's different one would have to read the theory its based on,
which allows for the demos that teachers use to show the differences..

Anybody does

- long fist "Cai Da",
- PM "Gou Lou Cai Shou",
- Taiji "cloud hands".
all know what "Cai" is. If they train those drills, they will develop "Cai Jin".

Offhand, I would say no, they would not, as outlined by the theories. You could express plucking force for example, to any movement, along with any of the other forces.

By showing all the teachers doing and saying the same things, the comparison is apples to apples, not apples to oranges.
And then asking why they’re not the same or to expect them to be the same.

thought the post might help illustrate the commonalities of methods of practice. That follow the same theories expressed in different ways.

thanks for all responses...

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

By showing all the teachers doing and saying the same things, the comparison is apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

White cat or black cat, as long as it can catch mouse, it's good cat. Whether you may use long fist "Cai" or Taiji "Cai", as long as it works in the ring, or on the mat, it's good "Cai".

To reach to the goal, Taiji is not the only path. There are other paths. Of course, if Taiji is the only system that you train, it will be your only path.

 

[_Simon_]

Look, I really, really do think there is something to this. I'll never dismiss something completely but of course will remain skeptical and use critical thinking. It feels like this skillset would be something that could very well be taken advantage of and dramatised. I also feel like direct experience plays a part (without any sort of instructor bias/hero worship). Without having experienced this exactly, I do think there's something to it. And I'm very curious haha.