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[tshadowchaser]

In the U.S and the west in general it seems that the FMA are sold.

Lets see I've been teaching Sikaran for 30 years give or take and promoted 3 to the rank of instructor. My drop out rate is close to 99 out of a hundred the first year because I have "hard" classes. As closely as I can judge the next person to get instructors rank from me is some 5 to 7 years away from it.

Yep I just sell sell sell that rank and give it all away.

Anyone who makes such general statements as the quote above should be aware that the FMA has been taught in thias country for many years by those who came here from the islands. Maybe many of the instructors did not go public or do not have the public relations man to put there name in frount of the world, but they have taught, instructed and given of themsleves to keep their art alive. These people deserve more respect than to have someone throw such a statement out .

 

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by moromoro
well i was trying to find out a way to reply....in a nice manner

firstly i dont believe i have never insulted anyone in this forum who did not deserve it.

The fact that you feel that you can judge who is deserving of an insult and who is not only proves your arrogence.

Look at the your pathetic post the guy ask for help in a forum on what to teach his class.... now this is completely unacceptable in any martial arts (maybe not taeBo)

This is just one example of the bastardization of the FMA in the west...... (dont care about culture dont care about skill just certificates and the amount of students,) its like having an attitude of "great i know plenty of drills i can start a class now".....
(thank god i come from systems with no drills---- per se)

You don't even know the guy, or what he was trying to do. You didn't even attempt to get any clarifications as to what he was trying to do, either, you just jumped to false conclusions. Another sad example of how you are just looking to slam someone else so you can feel better about yourself. Do ya feel better, moromoro? Was your little self esteem boosted after you slammed him for asking his question? A real eskrimador wouldn't have your self esteem problems.

Sorry guys but this is not how it is done back home.....

also i have said in the past that i thought a certain poster was S**t it didnt represent the filipino flag correctly......

In the U.S and the west in general it seems that the FMA are sold.

I'd like you to list how many times you've been to the U.S., and how many times you've trained/played here, and who you had a chance to train/cross sticks with.

I'll bet that the answer is close to "0."

What i have seen in Martial talk is almost a complete disrespect for the FMA and its varied history and teachers, people on this forum bite at you when you say go to the philippines and practice there....

Nobody disagrees that it would be beneficial to go and train in the PI, even if nothing else just to experience it. People "bite" when you imply that you cannot be an eskrimador or a true FMA teacher or student unless you go to the PI to train; this is an absolutly ridicules implication.

The only person here who has a complete disrespect for Filipino culture and Martial Arts is YOU! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE! You misrepresent your culture by your actions alone. If people read your posts and thought that your behavior was a representation of PI culture, people would think that Filipinos are arrogent, condensending, ignorant, cowerdly jerks. You are from the PI, you claim to be a FMArtist, so you should walk the walk and talk the talk of a FMArtist. Instead, you sound like some ignorant, skilless street punk who thinks he knows all. Your behavior sickens me, and it sickens me to think that other people might actually buy the B.S. that your selling.

for all you Modern Arnis practitioners i can guarantee that the level of modern arnis in the philippines is a whole lot better than in the U.S. NOW WHATS YOUR OPINION ON THIS!!!!!

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The only thing you "guarantee" here by your post is that everyone will think that your ignorant. How many Modern Arnis people have you played with in the PI? WHO were they? Now how many M.A. people have you played with in the U.S.? Whaaaa? none? OHHHHHH! I see, so in other words you can't gaurantee S**T cause you can't even draw from your own experience. that's what I thought, but I was just checking to make sure.

now my chance to educate.....

firstly dont disrespect other FMA just because they dont bother to have front page ad's on blackbelt magazine or the like..... advertising doesnt mean it is better...

Dont train for the rank (this is very evident in japanese ranking structure FMA- which i believe has no place in traditional FMA) train for the skill....

If you can train with the source or his closest representative...
no point learning with an instructor given by another down the line instructor..

also show some bloody respect for our culture, if you want to become an eskrimador one of the prerequesite would at least be to go to the philippines and do some training there (cross training)

Nice attempt to educate. Some points are O.K., some I might disagree with. That's not what matters. What matters is that NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO AN "EDUCATOR" IF THE EDUCATOR IS FULL OF CRAP! You have turned others off so badly by the manner in which you post that people aren't going to listen to you or take you seriously, even if you make a valid point.

also the FMA are larger than techniques but most of you especially the westreners will never learn other aspects of it such as oracion , kulam and other spiritual aspects of it.......... dont start to cry why not firstly you dont know the language, you dont know the culture.....

hope this will enlighten you

I could be wrong or out a line here, but F-it, I'm going out on a limb. I'm going to go out on a limb here to say that your a fraud when it comes to the "spiritual aspects" of the art. My guess is that you picked up a few things regarding "spirituality" just purely based on your location and heritage, but that you really don't know crap. By pretending that you have some sort of "spiritual edge" over others, you feel that this will make up for your lack of skill. This is only a theory, but it is based on these few things: 1. You are looking to elevate yourself above everyone else. "spirituality" is just one way for you to do this. 2. Your actions here are based on cowardly behavior and flamboyant and boisterous claims. Example: "I can gaurantee Modern Arnis in the PI is better then M.A. in the U.S.". I think that you would use a flamboyent and boisterous claim about PI spirituality to use in your arguements, and (quite possibly) to try to use if anyone were to try to fight you.

I could be totally wrong in my theory, and you may be very knowledgable regarding PI spirituality. The problem is, as far as I can see it, MT will never know for sure. And do you know why? because your behavior on MT is so ridicules, that it is near impossible for people to take anything that you say seriously!

If you ever want to be accepted here, or taken seriously, you would have to start with a seperate thread with a public apoligy for your behavior. Then you would have to change your entire mode of operating here to informative and open to discuss the issues.

Just a suggestion. The sooner you realize that people don't appreciate you or your behavior, the better.

hope this will enlighten you.

Thanks,

PAUL

 

[arnisador]

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-Arnisador
-MT Admin-

 

[Rich Parsons]

Mis post

 

[moromoro]

paul you are one opinionated sob.

firstly to be a fighter you have to be a bit cocky, maybe a bit arrogant as well.......

You don't even know the guy, or what he was trying to do.

we come from 2 different worlds, if you think its all right to get info from the net to teaCH your class, i feel sorry for you. i dont think it is all right, its little better than learning form a book....

who you had a chance to train/cross sticks with.

ive crossed trained with guys from many styles, doce pares, lapunti, balintawak, caballero 123 orihinal, kalis illustrisimo, even a few guys who have trained in modern arnis (note they trained as part of their college curriculum, dont know what you folks think)
I DONT WANT TO GO TO THE US TO LEARN FMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HATE TO DISSAPOINT YOU BUT THE SOURCE IS THE PHILIPPINES............................

You are from the PI, you claim to be a FMArtist, so you should walk the walk and talk the talk of a FMArtist

TO BE AN ESKRIMADOR YOU HAVE TO FIGHT, THIS IS TRUE ITS NOT A social club, like your use to, you should practice to make yourself better not to chat or make friends!!!!!!!!!!! eskrima is a battle art, made for combat....

I'm going to go out on a limb here to say that your a fraud when it comes to the "spiritual aspects" of the art.

well your not the only one to think that way, remeber its not a true science, many people dont believe in the stuff, thats why all the hilots in the philippines dont charge for their services, (let me guess you didnt know that! well wake up) they only accept mercy.

I could be totally wrong in my theory, and you may be very knowledgable regarding PI spirituality.

i dont claim to be very knowledgable about it but the people who i learn from are.......well i believe so anyway,
its a toss up with this because most people including great masters dont believe in it anyway.

hope this will enlighten you.

yes it has it has shown me one thing which i think everybody can see,

you and some others get angry very quickly, you lose your cool easily, thats your weakness
this shows that 1 you dont fight sticks (full contac spar) enough.

and 2 yopu dont fight empty hands enough.

3. people are worried about the truth exposure to the world of you FMA boys country club..............thats how your making it look like........

thanks paul you have enlightened me you have enlightened me with your BS

thank you

terry

as far as an apology, what for you?, take a look at your post

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by moromoro
paul you are one opinionated sob.

1) firstly to be a fighter you have to be a bit cocky, maybe a bit arrogant as well.......



2) we come from 2 different worlds, if you think its all right to get info from the net to teaCH your class, i feel sorry for you. i dont think it is all right, its little better than learning form a book....





3) ive crossed trained with guys from many styles, doce pares, lapunti, balintawak, caballero 123 orihinal, kalis illustrisimo, even a few guys who have trained in modern arnis (note they trained as part of their college curriculum, dont know what you folks think)
I DONT WANT TO GO TO THE US TO LEARN FMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HATE TO DISSAPOINT YOU BUT THE SOURCE IS THE PHILIPPINES............................



4) TO BE AN ESKRIMADOR YOU HAVE TO FIGHT, THIS IS TRUE ITS NOT A social club, like your use to, you should practice to make yourself better not to chat or make friends!!!!!!!!!!! eskrima is a battle art, made for combat....







5) yes it has it has shown me one thing which i think everybody can see,

you and some others get angry very quickly, you lose your cool easily, thats your weakness
this shows that 1 you dont fight sticks (full contac spar) enough.

and 2 yopu dont fight empty hands enough.

3. people are worried about the truth exposure to the world of you FMA boys country club..............thats how your making it look like........

6) thanks paul you have enlightened me you have enlightened me with your BS

thank you

terry

as far as an apology, what for you?, take a look at your post

1) How so does one have to be cocky or arrogant to be a fighter? Arrogance is really not needed and cockyness can get you hurt in the worst case killed. There is being sure of yourself.....and there is being cocky. I would not recommend Cocky.

2) As far as Im aware the guy wasnt asking for someone to give him a whole syllabus on paper so that he could hand it out and sit on his *** instead of teaching it himself. He was asking for guidance.....people gave him some. Now you claim this is bad and wrong, yet in your post you tell us that the fact people get angry too easily means we are not doing enough of this or that......Sounds a lot like your trying to guide us in our training!

3) He didnt ask what you had cross trained in.......He asked if you had trained in the U.S with the FMA. But clearly you havnt.....So how can you knock it when you havnt tried it! I agree there is a lot of McDojo's out there....but they come with EVERY art...and for every Mcdojo there is usually a GOOD school. You cant just generalise like that!

4) Socialising is good.......Wasting a class is bad. Im pretty sure you will find if you actually went to America that the classes are not spent sitting on their *** drinking tea....It is spent training.

5) How are they making it look like a country club.....You have comer and started complaining about peoples promotions...Classes.....their training. According to you they shouldnt be allowed to practice the FMA's! Its like insulting someones mum and saying shes a $2 whore and expecting them to not get a little antsy!

6) This is what everyone means....Un-needed comments. Granted you are not the only one using them......BUT DAMN! If you want to be treated with respect then SHOW SOME!

I mean heck if Im wrong with any of that I will shut the hell up and go back to my hole......:shrug:

 

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