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Goldendragon7
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hee hee...... well, don't tell him.:rofl:
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Goldendragon7
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In the back of the Infinite Insights you will find a glossary filled with terms that are used throughout the system. Also the Encyclopedia of Kenpo will be extremely useful in that quest.
If you are working on the extensions you are certainly at a level of training that you can list the principles of each move of your self-defense techniques. Do not omit this work. In accounting for the principles of each of these extensions you may: find their association to previous movements and sequences, discover new principles, and lay a better foundation for new material.
My students that take private or group lessons or individuals that attend any of my Seminars are a source of information, as well as my advanced Kenpo manuals which have much of the material that you seek, however I reserve that for my IKKO members.
A sample of what I am refering to......
Take "CLUTCHING FEATHERS" for instance....
1. FIRST MOVE
1. Point of Origin
2. Depth of Action
........a. Create Distance
3. Body Rotation
........a. Width change
b. Clockwise/counter clockwise
4. Minimize Target
5. Pinning Check
........a. Anchor Elbow
6. Angle of Disturbance
7. Angle of Cancellation
8. Stabilize Your Base
........a. Keep knees flexible
........b. Settle
..............a. Height
9. Body Alignment
10. Back-Up Mass
11. Angle of Execution
12. Counter Manipulation
13. Contouring
........a. Fitting
........b. Pin Point Effect
14. Angle of Incidence
15. Path of action
16. Breathing
17. Others
2. SECOND MOVE
1. Angle of Delivery
2. Depth of Action
........a. Decrease Distance
3. Body Momentum
........a. Rotational
b. Vertical/Diagonal
........c. Forward
4. Maximize Width of Action
5. Angle of Execution
........a. Block - UP THE CIRCLE
........b. Heel Palm
6. Body Alignment
7. Back-Up Mass
8. With
9. Borrowed Force
10. Bracing Angle
........a. Forward Bow
11. Defensive - Offense
a. Lock Out
12. etc. etc.
I think you get the idea.
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Thank you Mr. C
Im going to have to get the Encyclopedia, i think it would help me alot. Does the encyclopedia list where the principles are first introduced.
That way i have a way to gage what is from where and how they relate to each other in terms of what is more advanced material.
Thanks again
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Im going to have to get the Encyclopedia, i think it would help me alot. Does the encyclopedia list where the principles are first introduced.
That way i have a way to gage what is from where and how they relate to each other in terms of what is more advanced material.
Thanks again
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Goldendragon7
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The Encyclopedia will be of great help. No it does not tell exactly where each principle occurs in any given technique, you will have to research and study that on your own.
As far as gauging what is from where - and what is considered advanced material goes, the principles occur in all the techniques. Some contain different or specific ones than others and yet some are present in ALL techniques (i.e., point of origin), but as your knowledge grows, you will understand the difference between embryonic material that is taught in the lower ranks and the sophisticated material that develops as you progress thru the ranks.
Often times it is your maturity and understanding in the art that is the difference as your knowledge and skills increase not a particular technique, form, set or belt level that exposes such material.
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I see what you are saying Mr. C
Thanks for the help, That last sentence in your last post helps to put things into perspective.
Your guidance on this matter is valued and appriciated.
In light of all this, would i be correct to say that the extensions are a more mature expression of what has already been learned, desiqned to help a kenpoists express motion and the principles in a more individualized manner, which is free of the initial structured training method. I do notice some more elaborate foot work, methods of closing the distance, and a few other goodies?
Damn i hope that made sense, im reading it now and im not sure if it does.
Thanks for the help, That last sentence in your last post helps to put things into perspective.
Your guidance on this matter is valued and appriciated.
In light of all this, would i be correct to say that the extensions are a more mature expression of what has already been learned, desiqned to help a kenpoists express motion and the principles in a more individualized manner, which is free of the initial structured training method. I do notice some more elaborate foot work, methods of closing the distance, and a few other goodies?
Damn i hope that made sense, im reading it now and im not sure if it does.
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Originally posted by Ben22
I see what you are saying Mr. C
In light of all this, would i be correct to say that the extensions are a more mature expression of what has already been learned, desiqned to help a kenpoists express motion and the principles in a more individualized manner, which is free of the initial structured training method. I do notice some more elaborate foot work, methods of closing the distance, and a few other goodies?
Damn i hope that made sense, im reading it now and im not sure if it does.
The extensions can also be considered "what ifs", grafting methods. There is also a built in timing, regulating, and monitoring aspect in them as well as dimensional striking.
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
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MartialArtsGuy
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Thanx for the extra info clyde, dont hesitate to lend a helping hand in the future. :asian:
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ProfessorKenpo
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Ahhhhh, all it gets me is trouble when I do, but thanks.
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
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Mr. C,
Do you think that there is a "special" degree of black belt at
which the degree holder's rank makes (or SHOULD make) them a sort of trans-organizational resource in the kenpo world?
For example, at Nth degree, should high-ranking individuals from other organizations be brought in to confirm the individual's entitlement to wear that Nth degree, as opposed to a single organization's bestowing of that rank? There may be other implications of this "special" trans-organizational recognition, but I haven't thought through all of them.
If you agree with this concept, what, in your mind, is that Nth degree?
Thanks,
KenpoChip
Do you think that there is a "special" degree of black belt at
which the degree holder's rank makes (or SHOULD make) them a sort of trans-organizational resource in the kenpo world?
For example, at Nth degree, should high-ranking individuals from other organizations be brought in to confirm the individual's entitlement to wear that Nth degree, as opposed to a single organization's bestowing of that rank? There may be other implications of this "special" trans-organizational recognition, but I haven't thought through all of them.
If you agree with this concept, what, in your mind, is that Nth degree?
Thanks,
KenpoChip
I am curious to know more about Jim Mitchell.
On another thread there was talk about his influence on the yellow belt techniques, in reference to Alternating Maces. What was his involvement with the development of the system as we know it?
I know he split from Mr. Parker in the early 80's (around 82 or 83, I believe). Supposedly he was running several of Parker's schools in the San Diego area.
Another point: He is listed as one of the very few kenpoists to have the, *ahem*, cajones(?) to wear a 10th degree belt. I was told that the belt he wears was left to him by Mr. Parker after his passing. Why has he disappeared? Why does it appear like he is "hiding" or in "exile"? I know there were some personal differences among other kenpo leaders, but I haven't the slightest clue as to what. Ego? or Kenpological differences?
I am doing my Black Belt thesis on the comparison and contrast of the different arrangements of the system, i.e. 24 techs, 16. I originally studied Jim Mitchell's arrangement of the system, which is more Form based than the others. (Techniques on a particular list reflect greatly the Form associated with that belt)
Well, if there are any answers to these questions, I would extremely greatful.
Thanks,
Matt
On another thread there was talk about his influence on the yellow belt techniques, in reference to Alternating Maces. What was his involvement with the development of the system as we know it?
I know he split from Mr. Parker in the early 80's (around 82 or 83, I believe). Supposedly he was running several of Parker's schools in the San Diego area.
Another point: He is listed as one of the very few kenpoists to have the, *ahem*, cajones(?) to wear a 10th degree belt. I was told that the belt he wears was left to him by Mr. Parker after his passing. Why has he disappeared? Why does it appear like he is "hiding" or in "exile"? I know there were some personal differences among other kenpo leaders, but I haven't the slightest clue as to what. Ego? or Kenpological differences?
I am doing my Black Belt thesis on the comparison and contrast of the different arrangements of the system, i.e. 24 techs, 16. I originally studied Jim Mitchell's arrangement of the system, which is more Form based than the others. (Techniques on a particular list reflect greatly the Form associated with that belt)
Well, if there are any answers to these questions, I would extremely greatful.
Thanks,
Matt
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It's cojones
And if I'm to wear in a long away future a 10th degree belt, I'll surely not have them :rofl: :lol:
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Goldendragon7
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Not really but it would be nice to see a less fragmented system.
This would be very hard to do since many have different agendas and opinions on what they teach. Again it would be great to be able to work together within various organizations.
I think it lends much more credibility to the individual if his/her peers all get together and award that high of degree than just the students and followers of said organization.
Like I already stated... I don't think this is a difficult issue but, if it were I believe that 9ths and 10ths would be the appropriate positions of higher communication and exchange between organizations which from their examples would trickle down to the masses and create a much better environment of unity than we have at this point.
But that's just my opinion.
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From what I saw, he was of some help in the early 80's to Mr. Parker until he left the organization. Mr. Parker was at that time starting to organize better the curriculums and he just happened to be there at that time. I was involved as well as Skip Hancock and others during this period. I was there during one of his lessons once and from what I saw he was still learning the system. What ever his involvement was, usual Mr. Parker would run it by several others for opinions and critique as well.
His background was in the Tracy system then he converted back to the original Ed Parker System, he was in San Diego at this time, and would drive up for lessons, to my knowledge he was not running several of Mr. Parkers studios, but was only in control his own.
Well, I don't know about "cojones" lol, but he did leave Mr. Parker and go back to Tracy and get promoted up there, until he strapped on the 10th Degree, he only appears on my list of 10ths (just as everyone else that has decided to wear this rank) only to list those that "claim" that rank. It is in way a validation from me or anyone else but rather a listing of what they have decided to wear.
He had a nice belt made for Mr. Parker when he was studying with him. It is my understanding that after Mr. Parker died, he went to Mrs. Parker and asked for that belt back, and as I understand it .......... she gave him back the belt that he had made for Mr. Parker originally.
After he left Mr. Parker, I have heard very little from him...... Who knows why he is like you said "hiding" or in "exile" lol you'll have to find him and ask him direct .......... I'm sure there are many that would like to know where he is.
I don't know exactly when you studied with him or what "arrangements" you were taught, so I can't comment. If you studied with him after he left Mr. Parker, the arrangements, that you were taught are very possibly different than the ones that Mr. Parker arranged.
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Wow... That is *very* interesting...
The system had 16 techniques per belt all the way through 1st Black. 2nd Black had 32 techniques.
The order of the techniques was also different than the traditional EPAK system. They were moved around quiet a bit.
Do you know of anyone else that may have background info about Mitchell? Supposedly he (Mitchell) continued to train with Parker up until his death. I do know he was at the very least, still in contact with Mr. Parker after he left the IKKA.
I've heard lots of rumors and whispers, but I would like to hear first hand accounts.
Oh, and you mentioned something about witnessing a lesson that Mitchell had from Parker. Do you say he was still learning the system because he was being taught a completely new technique? I was curious because I am always learning the system; there's always more to learn!
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Mr. C. ,
thanks for your reply.
KenpoChip
thanks for your reply.
KenpoChip
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Goldendragon7
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I find the truth unique to say the least.
Go to my website ............ http://www.geocities.com/ikkorg/requirements.htm
and view the curriculum...... if it is different than that ....... it was not Ed Parker's doing. My curriculum that is posted was ok'd by the Kahuna!
Sure, there are plenty that know about Mitchell, Chape'l, Hancock, Trejo, Kelly, and a host of others.
I highly doubt that he "trained" with Mr. Parker after he "left" the IKKA, keeping in contact is another issue, Mr. Parker always liked to keep in "contact" with everyone - friend and foe alike!
Yes, he and I were debating several issues on techniques and/or forms (Bruce Tomson my student, at the time was also present), in which he was greatly in need of correction.
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Your welcome!! anytime.
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As do I!Originally posted by Goldendragon7
I find the truth unique to say the least.
I don't suppose you can recall the situation. I guess this whole thing makes me question the validity of my kenpo. Is what I learned not valid EPAK? The arrangement of the system I originally learned was different from any other kenpo schools other than those influenced by Jim Mitchell. In Mr. Mitchell's defense, the kenpo I have learned is amazingly accurate, i.e. it matches, or varies only slightly, what I see on the rest of the Net.Yes, he and I were debating several issues on techniques and/or forms (Bruce Tomson my student, at the time was also present), in which he was greatly in need of correction.
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