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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
Originally posted by RCastillo
Great, another WWE Vince McMahon!
We could only wish!
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We could only wish!
Vince McDragon - paypal, where??
-Michael
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Kenpomachine
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I've heard about a set called Tiger breathing as being similar to what we call in spanish "Tigre en tensión".
What does it look like?
Where does it come from?
I have a version for the origin of the spanish form, but I have never heard before of Tiger breathing .
Thanks
What does it look like?
Where does it come from?
I have a version for the origin of the spanish form, but I have never heard before of Tiger breathing .
Thanks
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Nothing like that in Ed Parker's American Kenpo!
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Kenpomachine
Guest
Feeling relieved for not being the only one not having heard of it 
The spanish form was made by Raúl Gutiérrez for his Kenpo Fushi, by the latest account
The spanish form was made by Raúl Gutiérrez for his Kenpo Fushi, by the latest account
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
Originally posted by Kenpomachine
Feeling relieved for not being the only one not having heard of it
I would be interested in looking at what he did.
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Kenpomachine
Guest
You can see the beginning at http://www.kenporosales.com/fuenteretiro.htm
If you're very interested in the description, I'll write it down, but I'll need some time...
If you're very interested in the description, I'll write it down, but I'll need some time...
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
That would be great. Just email me when you have it finished.
ikenpo
Black Belt
Mr. C,
On captured leaves I've noticed that, like every other technique, there are several variations that exist in the way this technique is done by various instructors. The 2 variations that seem to be most prominent are the one using a chop to release the finger lock that then orbits around into the first elbow strike, the other is the one that regrabs the attackers fingers after manipulating their grabbing arms position.
Can you give me some background on those 2 variations as they relate to SGM Parker? Which did he prefer, which did he come up with first, was there a switch that made people do one vs the other?
Thanks in advance, jb
On captured leaves I've noticed that, like every other technique, there are several variations that exist in the way this technique is done by various instructors. The 2 variations that seem to be most prominent are the one using a chop to release the finger lock that then orbits around into the first elbow strike, the other is the one that regrabs the attackers fingers after manipulating their grabbing arms position.
Can you give me some background on those 2 variations as they relate to SGM Parker? Which did he prefer, which did he come up with first, was there a switch that made people do one vs the other?
Thanks in advance, jb
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
I don't know of any other variations than the one he showed me (which is below). My best guess is that this IS one of the most misinterpreted self defense techniques (thus several versions out there) that we have for a number of reasons. In the beginning I didn't like the darn thing until he showed me how the mechanics worked and why, now, it is one of my favorites.
CAPTURED LEAVES (Right flank finger lock)
1. With the fingers of your right hand twisted by your opponent's left hand from your right flank, raise your right hand high (toward 1:30) to relieve the pressure (have your left hand positionally check your opponent's right hand and arm in the process), as you move your right foot slightly to your right (toward 1:30).
2. While in place, pivot counterclockwise into a horse stance (facing between 8 and 9 o'clock) and deliver a left back elbow strike (from the last checking position) to the back of your opponent's left kidney. (Your opponent is on the tips of his toes, and his body is turning clockwise to his right.)
3. Immediately pivot clockwise into a right neutral bow stance, and deliver a right back elbow strike to the front of your opponent's left ribcage as your left hand now grabs and controls your opponent's left arm at the wrist. (Your opponent should bend forward at the waist.)
4. Right front crossover and cover between 8 and 9 o'clock.
Is this the way you do it?
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Klondike93
Master Black Belt
Yep same here. That's way I was shown how it's done by my current instructor, but I was first shown the way JB described it.
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Klondike (aka Chuck)
ikenpo
Black Belt
I've seen and done it both ways.... at 1) you don't mention anything about grabbing the attacker's fingers after you have "relieve the pressure". Is this a given and therefore unwritten?
"My best guess is that this IS one of the most misinterpreted self defense techniques "
Why would you say that? Has this been your experience in general? What other techniques would you classify like this?
jb:asian:
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
No, I don't counter grab I finish with the 2 elbow strikes and get the hell out of Dodge.
I say that because it is one of the many techniques that I have found many to have particular trouble with. Yes, it has been my experience.
Oh, there are several.......... Dance of Death, Gift of Destiny, Broken Ram, Blinding Sacrifice, Dominating Circles ... just to name a few.
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ikenpo
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Without grabbing their fingers how do you ensure that they will "be on their toes", couldn't they just let your fingers go once you've stepped to 1:30 or does your control manipulation of their arm preclude them from releasing your fingers and getting out of the way of your elbow? Also before the second elbow strike you grab with the left hand. If you don't maintain any control through grabbing with your fingers how do you maintain adhesion, once again is this through the manipulation and the speed at which the technique is executed?
Respectfully, jb :asian:
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
LOL, first off this is a public forum, not a private lesson. If you want this much detailed info you should ask your instructor first and then arrange a private with me. I love to answer questions until it gets to the point of detailed "how to". If I were to continue............ you may as well start at the beginning and ask about the 1st technique and continue through the entire system so that I share with everyone my detailed explinations.
These techniques are only ideas..... or drills..... you NEVER insure anything. In the "ideal phase" we do assume that the technique works as taught and the opponent reacts as we intend. During the "what if phase" we examine many, many different possibilities.
Yes they could, that IS a possibility.
It can as well.
Yes, you answered your own question!
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These techniques are only ideas..... or drills..... you NEVER insure anything. In the "ideal phase" we do assume that the technique works as taught and the opponent reacts as we intend. During the "what if phase" we examine many, many different possibilities.
Yes they could, that IS a possibility.
It can as well.
Yes, you answered your own question!
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
Now, now....... dont be mean!
