Planned parenthood caught in video sting, ignoring exploitation

[Empty Hands]

One good thing came from this thread it did give me an idea for a new operation at work. We have planned parenthood clinics and we have busted several of these sex slave houses over the last few months I feel an undercover operation coming on.

Awesome, now the police can be involved in lying for political gain.

 

[ballen0351]

Awesome, now the police can be involved in lying for political gain.

Actually im more concerned with the rape of 14 year old kidnapped girls but whatever floats your boat

 

[Empty Hands]

Actually im more concerned with the rape of 14 year old kidnapped girls but whatever floats your boat

If that were true then you wouldn't be contemplating video stings of Planned Parenthood employees, you would actually be going after those raping and kidnapping 14 year old girls.

 

[Empty Hands]

I get that she may have started the concept of a birth control clinic, but I find it utterly disingenuous that Planned Parenthood does nothing to repudiate these beliefs, and instead sings her utter praises. And then the organizations practices fall right in line with her belief system.

By this logic, one must similarly condemn the United States since many founding fathers, statesmen and Presidents were slaveholders that did not believe in the right of women to vote. We still sing their utter praises to this day.

No, like most people, Planned Parenthood praises that which is praiseworthy, much like we do with Jefferson or Washington.

 

[billc]

well, if planned parent hood actually notified the police, they would be going after the pimp. Maybe the law enforcement posters can explain to why planned parenthood allegedly went to the feds. on the pimp situation and not local law enforcement.


The founding fathers of our great country grew up in with the slavery, a world wide phenomenon at the time. they went on to create the documents, The Declaration of Independence, the United States constitution, and the Bill of Rights, which would eventually lead to the end of slavery in this country. Even Jefferson thought slavery was wrong, just didn't have it in himself to end his own involvement in it. Margaret Sanger did not grow up with eugenics as a common practice. Big differences. Have to go.

 

[ballen0351]

If that were true then you wouldn't be contemplating video stings of Planned Parenthood employees, you would actually be going after those raping and kidnapping 14 year old girls.

Thats the plan. I never said anything about undercover video stings. Besides I'm sure by now they have sent out enough internal memos that they would do no good.

 

[ballen0351]

well, if planned parent hood actually notified the police, they would be going after the pimp. Maybe the law enforcement posters can explain to why planned parenthood allegedly went to the feds. on the pimp situation and not local law enforcement..

Im not sure why they would call the FBI unless it was to report the undercover recording of its clinic and not the pimp some type of wiretap complaint or something.

 

[Empty Hands]

Thats the plan. I never said anything about undercover video stings. Besides I'm sure by now they have sent out enough internal memos that they would do no good.

So you are of the opinion then that Planned Parenthood is kidnapping and raping 14 year old girls?

Hmmmm......

 

[ballen0351]

So you are of the opinion then that Planned Parenthood is kidnapping and raping 14 year old girls?

Hmmmm......

Yeah thats what I said.

 

[Empty Hands]

Yeah thats what I said.

:rofl:

 

[ballen0351]

:rofl:

We need a moron button

 

[aedrasteia]

Margaret Sanger did not grow up with eugenics as a common practice.

Deeply incorrect. Deeply. Really, deeply wrong.
Eugenics was a popular and widely discussed part of the politics of the period, before Mrs Sanger played her role.

this may be another topic - so if the hard working mods would like to move this,
I follow their good judgement. This was a focus of my research while studying Supreme Court decisions (Buck v Bell). And contributes to my interest in Justice Sotomayor.

The eugenics movement, in the US and other countries has a long, heart-breaking history in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, 1880 - 1940. Mrs. Sangers affiliation with these efforts put her among many many others and among the majority of lawmakers in state legislatures of the time. Those elected representatives were all male and white. That is not intended in any way as an insult. It is a description, based in fact. She was without question not the most extreme proponent of these horrific policies. There developed a widespread acceptance of eugenic policies as law in the US - between 1900 and 1927 thirty states enacted statutes authorizing the compulsory sterilization of those deemed 'unfit': in practice these people were primarily women, poor economically and poorly educated and frequently black or other 'colored'.

The terrible irony is Sanger's opposition to abortion (yes), her almost maniaical focus on
finding some effective methods of birth control combined with her endorsement of the despicable and extremely popular policies of eugenics; popular among law-makers and ordinary people alike. Of course, people to whom those policies would never, they were sure, apply.

Please see: www.eugenicsarchive.org
www.usatoday.com/news/health2009-06-23-eugenics-carrie-buck_N.htm

There is so much more. This is a chapter of our history that is ignored and denied. Students in my SCOTUS class were incredulous and, at first, simply refused to believe this was true.
They listened in complete shock to presenters, now old but vigorous, who had been members of the US delegation to the Nuremburg tribunals, as they lectured on the connection between German and American eugenics efforts at a conference I attended several years ago.

The miracle, equally worth contemplating, is that we moved away from those policies and those beliefs. How we achieved that shift is of enormous importance to me.

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[Blade96]

So you are of the opinion then that Planned Parenthood is kidnapping and raping 14 year old girls?

Hmmmm......

Yeah thats what I said.

is ballen serious :O

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

By this logic, one must similarly condemn the United States since many founding fathers, statesmen and Presidents were slaveholders that did not believe in the right of women to vote. We still sing their utter praises to this day.

No, like most people, Planned Parenthood praises that which is praiseworthy, much like we do with Jefferson or Washington.

Not at all. One can praise Margaret Sanger for the things that she should be praised for, and condem her for the things that she should be condemed for. The same as the United States and its Founders. I for one, though I may put them on a pedestal for the good things that they've done, condem the negative things that they've done. I don't turn a blind eye to the negative.

However, from what I can see, Planned Parenthood, by continuing to place its clinics in minority communities, has done little, if anything, to make me think that, as an organization, that they've repudiated the negative aspects of Margaret Sanger's philosophy. Remember, the primary reason that she started these places was for eugenics purposes.

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

I think ballen's reply of "yeah, that's what I said," was meant to be sarcastic. Hence the next reply of needing a moron button.

Perhaps the operation he was refering to was to go undercover as a health care worker in order to capture these pimps and prostitutes.

Did that ever cross anyone's mind???

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

Its one thing to offer the services to the prostitutes to tell the pimp the legal process for which to get his girls help if that was her real goal. Its a whole different ballgame to help the pimp by telling him to Lie about the girls ages and if they are too young send them to a different clinic, tell them to call her direct since she already knows what he wants and can streamline the process. Tell him to avoid the other employee because they dont like her because she follows the rules, Tell them to make sure the girls dont tell the other workers how old the males are. Thats way above trying to help the girls.

You are looking at it from your paradigm. For instance, if the girl doesn't lie about her age, will she in fact get help?

If some clinics have age restrictions and others don't, doesn't it make sense then, if her goal is to help the girl, to send them to the one where she will get actual treatment?

If the process is too difficult, and the pimp would not bother with that then, wouldn't it make sense to help streamline the process in order that she would get medical help, otherwise she wouldn't get it?

I don't know that, looking at it from the health paradigm, that it's going too far.

Thats about padding the numbers for her clinic so she can get increased funding and be damned about the young 14 year old slaves that are raped multiple times a day.

I often don't presume to read people's minds to know there intentions.

For him to offer her money on the side to help him and for her to say yes. Ive never seen a group so set on not telling parents whats going on. That rule in it self just boggles my mind. How can anyone think thats a good idea.

Now here you and I can agree. I actually hate the organization. But, I won't presume to assign ill intention based on this video.

 

[ballen0351]

Its one thing to offer the services to the prostitutes to tell the pimp the legal process for which to get his girls help if that was her real goal. Its a whole different ballgame to help the pimp by telling him to Lie about the girls ages and if they are too young send them to a different clinic, tell them to call her direct since she already knows what he wants and can streamline the process. Tell him to avoid the other employee because they dont like her because she follows the rules, Tell them to make sure the girls dont tell the other workers how old the males are. Thats way above trying to help the girls.

You are looking at it from your paradigm. For instance, if the girl doesn't lie about her age, will she in fact get help?

If some clinics have age restrictions and others don't, doesn't it make sense then, if her goal is to help the girl, to send them to the one where she will get actual treatment?

If the process is too difficult, and the pimp would not bother with that then, wouldn't it make sense to help streamline the process in order that she would get medical help, otherwise she wouldn't get it?

I don't know that, looking at it from the health paradigm, that it's going too far.



I often don't presume to read people's minds to know there intentions.



Now here you and I can agree. I actually hate the organization. But, I won't presume to assign ill intention based on this video.

I was not saying all of planned parenthood was bad I was commenting on that 1 worker. I believe there are many planned parenthood workers that believe they are helping people. However anyone that can talk to a sell admitted pimp who is selling 14 year old girls and not contact the police while hes still in the office but instead offer to help streamline his illegal operation and also give tips on what the girls can do during the 2 weeks they cant have sex just blows my mind how anyone can defend her behavior. They were talking about 14 yr old girls when she said "waist up." In my opinion she was not interested in helping anyone but herself. I dont think anywhere other then the parental consent I condemned all of Planned parenthood as an entire organization however I do not agree with them or what they do, but that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Im smart enough to know not all planned parenthood clinics act this way and even in her own clinic she said to avoid certain employees so she knew she was wrong in what she was doing.

 

[ballen0351]

I think ballen's reply of "yeah, that's what I said," was meant to be sarcastic. Hence the next reply of needing a moron button.

Perhaps the operation he was refering to was to go undercover as a health care worker in order to capture these pimps and prostitutes.

Did that ever cross anyone's mind???

Actually my plan is to watch the parking lots of the clinics looking for young Hispanic woman or similar vehicles that show up on a regular basis with different woman. NObody in my unit would ever pass as a health care worker. Bikers, crack heads, drug dealers yes healthcare workers not a chance lol

Oh and Im not picking on Hispanic woman its just that last 4 or 5 of these sex dens we have discovered were run by hispanic gangs and were all hispanic woman or I should say children so in this area thats who is running things.

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

I was not saying all of planned parenthood was bad I was commenting on that 1 worker. I believe there are many planned parenthood workers that believe they are helping people. However anyone that can talk to a sell admitted pimp who is selling 14 year old girls and not contact the police while hes still in the office but instead offer to help streamline his illegal operation and also give tips on what the girls can do during the 2 weeks they cant have sex just blows my mind how anyone can defend her behavior. They were talking about 14 yr old girls when she said "waist up." In my opinion she was not interested in helping anyone but herself. I dont think anywhere other then the parental consent I condemned all of Planned parenthood as an entire organization however I do not agree with them or what they do, but that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Im smart enough to know not all planned parenthood clinics act this way and even in her own clinic she said to avoid certain employees so she knew she was wrong in what she was doing.

You know what, you're right. I wasn't even thinking about the waist up part of the conversation. I was focusing on the percieved health aspects.

My bad.

And I wasn't saying that you hate the organization. Just that I agreed with what you posted, and that I hate the organization.

Actually my plan is to watch the parking lots of the clinics looking for young Hispanic woman or similar vehicles that show up on a regular basis with different woman. NObody in my unit would ever pass as a health care worker. Bikers, crack heads, drug dealers yes healthcare workers not a chance lol

Oh and Im not picking on Hispanic woman its just that last 4 or 5 of these sex dens we have discovered were run by hispanic gangs and were all hispanic woman or I should say children so in this area thats who is running things.

Fair enough. I just was trying to give an example of an operation that would not jump to the conclusion that the police would "lie for political gain."

 

[ballen0351]

You know what, you're right. I wasn't even thinking about the waist up part of the conversation. I was focusing on the percieved health aspects.

My bad.

And I wasn't saying that you hate the organization. Just that I agreed with what you posted, and that I hate the organization.



Fair enough. I just was trying to give an example of an operation that would not jump to the conclusion that the police would "lie for political gain."

No your right I do HATE that organization but its not because of that one woman.



As for the operation we would not be allowed to pretend to work there anyway. Our SOP wont allow us to use props or pose as workers for real organizations, or companies after an operation where we used a verizon truck to buy drugs. Once everyone was arrested and found out we used a verizon truck. Yeah well the next Verizon guy to go into that area had his truck shot at when they though he was the police. So since then we either have to make up fake companies or just standard work vans with no markings.